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Radical Care: Miki Kashtan and Cassie Thornton moderated by Kaira Jewel - Shared screen with speaker view
A Blade of Grass
56:41
For more info on our upcoming programs visit the links below!Minimum Viable Hologram Sessions - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-15-jul-15-minimum-viable-hologram-sessions/Understanding, Transforming, and Preserving Movement in Digital Spaces - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-24-apr-28-understanding-transforming-and-preserving-movement-in-digital-spaces/Binary Calculations are Inadequate to Assess Us - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-22-29-binary-calculations-are-inadequate-to-assess-us/The Song that I Sing is Part of an Echo - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/may-6-13-the-song-that-i-sing-is-part-of-an-echo/
A Blade of Grass
01:02:40
For more info on our upcoming programs visit the links below!Minimum Viable Hologram Sessions - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-15-jul-15-minimum-viable-hologram-sessions/Understanding, Transforming, and Preserving Movement in Digital Spaces - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-24-apr-28-understanding-transforming-and-preserving-movement-in-digital-spaces/Binary Calculations are Inadequate to Assess Us - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-22-29-binary-calculations-are-inadequate-to-assess-us/The Song that I Sing is Part of an Echo - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/may-6-13-the-song-that-i-sing-is-part-of-an-echo/
A Blade of Grass
01:03:00
DEBORAH FISHER’S BIO:https://abladeofgrass.org/staffs/deborah-fisher/
A Blade of Grass
01:08:05
PANELIST BIOS:https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-23-radical-care-with-miki-kashtan-and-cassie-thornton-moderated-by-kaira-jewel-lingo/
A Blade of Grass
01:08:31
The Chat is OPEN
Leigh Withers
01:14:38
This feels very aligned with the philosophy of preventative medicine
Leigh Withers
01:15:18
re: crisis infrastructure
Joyce Young
01:22:59
Can you explain what you mean by "exchange?" Do you mean "transaction" that expects something in return? Or do you mean something else?
Deborah Fisher
01:26:29
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6617037-debt
Rishauna
01:28:51
Makes me think of this essay I listened to last week by Robin Wall Kimmerer about learning from the serviceberry about gift economy and ecological economics: https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/the-serviceberry/
Carrie Boucher-NOMAD Art Bus
01:29:13
Rishauna, yes!
Jerry Wellman
01:30:21
What was the name of that author and book?
Deborah Fisher
01:30:49
David Graeber, Debt the first 5000 years, link to it is above
Jerry Wellman
01:31:28
The otherer book by the Brazilian author
Bob Reckhow
01:31:30
Humberto Maturana The Origin of Humanness in the Biology og Love
Jerry Wellman
01:32:07
Thank you, another good read- Humankind by Rutger Bregman
Deborah Fisher
01:32:47
All book recommendations will be collected and reflected back in an email with a link to this program, thank you all!
Deborah Fisher
01:35:41
https://nglcommunity.org/
Deborah Fisher
01:45:45
Just a reminder, questions are great!
Deborah Fisher
01:45:54
Either raise your hand or right here works well
shana deane
01:46:24
From Joyce Young to Everyone: 03:26 PMCan you explain what you mean by "exchange?" Do you mean "transaction" that expects something in return? Or do you mean something else?
Leigh Withers
01:46:34
Common linguistic terms like
Fiona Woods
01:46:35
This is such a rich and wonderful conversation, it's a joy to listen to you.
Elaine Su-Hui
01:46:41
Can you speak more about how boundaries work in a healthy dependency/ interdependency?
Leah Cooper
01:47:18
why did you choose to call the receiver a “hologram”?
Claire Staples
01:47:51
I’m wondering if you could speak to codependence, dynamics in relationships between caregiver and cared for that become unhealthy, particularly in communities where there is a lot of scarcity and lack of resources
Lisa Lo Russo
01:48:06
Cassie’s work reminds me of Thomas Hubl’s work around trauma, namely his triad practice group format, which is intended to offer support against burnout for those involved in healing trauma on the planet. I am wondering if you can speak about the role of healing trauma in creating an alternative to the patriarchal system
Gemma
01:49:36
This is such an incredible example (the fixed monthly amount), it seems so simple but it's blowing my mind
Laura Burke
01:49:44
Yes!
Sarah S.
01:50:07
I’m thinking that the insurance companies would be unhappy with Miki and her naturopaths arrangement. They might consider monthly payments as insurance rather than going support of the providers infrastructure.
Sarah S.
01:50:41
I meant ongoing support
Tia Kramer
01:50:45
Can you speak to the term “Radical Care.” For each of you, what makes care, radical care.
Beverly Naidus
01:52:10
These models (flow and hologram) make so much sense as a liberatory vision. The trick is how to help communities recognize these processes as necessary for our co-evolution — education via modeling is a slow process (just like evolution can be) but perhaps we need to be content with that - like the Zapatistas symbol of the snail. Repairing the trauma caused by white supremacy, patriarchy and capitalism will take so many generations and do we have enough time given the climate emergency?
ally ricarte
01:52:52
this is giving me mierle alderman ukeles vibes for confronting how we manage our waste or this representation of our unwanted past, "do we conserve its energy through transformation or do we drown in waste?" how can we create a infrastructure to take care of the cycle of life?
Nikki Juen
01:56:55
https://thefearlessheart.org/sharing-impact-for-liberation-framing-the-challenge-part-one/
nasha taylor (she/her)
01:57:59
I’m interested in how to carry or apply these ideas in our workplaces. I don’t have an explicit question because the idea almost feels inaccessible there. Either way, it feels like a relevant and necessary consideration
ally ricarte
01:58:34
^
nasha taylor (she/her)
01:59:22
^^ I mean within the staff/board teams, distinct from org to constituents, for a nonprofit example
Beverly Naidus
01:59:53
That’s really profound: protecting ourselves from the grief by giving more than we have capacity for.
Deborah Fisher
02:00:07
Amen
Jerry Wellman
02:00:22
How can we more thoroughly value gratitude.It seems gratitude is not very manipulative. I believe it has the root word in “grace”. To what degree does gratitude help to shape or diminish the caring and understanding we fundamentally need to be effective.
Tia Kramer
02:01:31
That was very valuable to hear. I think in this moment of a pandemic naming griefs feels critical and yet we are not in a culture that has taught us to do that.
Radhika Sen
02:01:58
could you all talk more about motherhood as a metaphor for radical care? (as a woman in the process of choosing not to be a mother-literally speaking, i'm slightly uncomfortable with it, but want to understand more about why that is an illuminating and liberating metaphor? And please correct me if i'm getting this way wrong:)
nasha taylor (she/her)
02:04:13
It feels so painful to feel like you don’t have the freedom to exercise these honors when you have to get/keep a job to pay the bills. It feels like being forced to work thru burnout and no yield to the flow of life and our grief and care needs.
Megan Maxey
02:05:57
Nasha, I resonate with this very much. I have a chronic illness and existing in this world often requires I work through fatigue and through burnout.
Fereshteh Toosi
02:07:17
Do you all consider consent protocols as part of this? The word boundaries has come up but how does consent come up in this work?
nasha taylor (she/her)
02:07:53
Megan 💗
shana deane
02:09:16
+megan <3I have a chronic illness too... I resonate with your question
shana deane
02:09:37
re: fatigue and burnout
shana deane
02:16:02
sending tenderness and empathy to the white males present here.... I know that statement is not against you individually <3
Jess Powers
02:16:33
This was so nourishing, thank you all! <3
shana deane
02:16:34
it's systemic.
Laura Burke
02:16:37
Thank you so much
Leah Cooper
02:16:41
Filled with inspiration and thought. Thank you.
Jennifer Jones
02:16:41
This was amazing. Thank you all!
Georgia Wilkins
02:16:43
Thank you all <3
Fiona Woods
02:16:51
So inspiring, thank you all
A Blade of Grass
02:16:57
PANELIST BIOS:https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-23-radical-care-with-miki-kashtan-and-cassie-thornton-moderated-by-kaira-jewel-lingo/For more info on our upcoming programs visit the links below!Minimum Viable Hologram Sessions - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-15-jul-15-minimum-viable-hologram-sessions/Understanding, Transforming, and Preserving Movement in Digital Spaces - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-24-apr-28-understanding-transforming-and-preserving-movement-in-digital-spaces/Binary Calculations are Inadequate to Assess Us - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-22-29-binary-calculations-are-inadequate-to-assess-us/The Song that I Sing is Part of an Echo - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/may-6-13-the-song-that-i-sing-is-part-of-an-echo/A BLADE OF GRASS Website: https://abladeofgrass.org/
Gemma
02:16:57
this was extraordinary, thank you!
Laura Burke
02:16:58
I feel so gifted to have listened in
onyi .
02:16:58
thank you so much, such a wonderful dialogue <3
Suhaly Bautista-Carolina
02:17:00
Thank You!
Aly Su Borst
02:17:04
Thank you so much!!!
Joyce Young
02:17:14
Thank you very much!
Valerie Foley
02:17:20
Thank you all so much, very inspiring
Nat (he/him)
02:17:44
Thanks! So important and inspiring.
Suhaly Bautista-Carolina
02:17:49
Modeling Radical Care
Grace Tabet
02:17:50
Amazing. Thank you
Beverly Naidus
02:17:50
Thank you for walking your talk.
David King
02:17:57
Thank you
Elizabeth Spreen
02:18:01
Thank you all.
A Blade of Grass
02:18:17
PANELIST BIOS:https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-23-radical-care-with-miki-kashtan-and-cassie-thornton-moderated-by-kaira-jewel-lingo/For more info on our upcoming programs visit the links below!Minimum Viable Hologram Sessions - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-15-jul-15-minimum-viable-hologram-sessions/Understanding, Transforming, and Preserving Movement in Digital Spaces - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-24-apr-28-understanding-transforming-and-preserving-movement-in-digital-spaces/Binary Calculations are Inadequate to Assess Us - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-22-29-binary-calculations-are-inadequate-to-assess-us/The Song that I Sing is Part of an Echo - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/may-6-13-the-song-that-i-sing-is-part-of-an-echo/A BLADE OF GRASS Website: https://abladeofgrass.org/
s s
02:18:37
Many thanks for all of this!
Megan Maxey
02:18:42
Thank you to everyone involved. This was incredibly nourishing.
Padraig Stevens
02:18:48
inspirational and empowering, many thanks
Suzanne Kahn
02:19:03
I am so full and appreciate the generous gifts
Laura O'Quin
02:19:30
Deep gratitude. Thank you so much
shana deane
02:19:39
this has been a very nourishing care meal! <3 :)
Gemma
02:19:55
yes!!!
Liz Goetz
02:19:59
!!!!
Sonia Stocco
02:20:45
Could the transcript also be saved and shared?
A Blade of Grass
02:20:54
PANELIST BIOS:https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-23-radical-care-with-miki-kashtan-and-cassie-thornton-moderated-by-kaira-jewel-lingo/For more info on our upcoming programs visit the links below!Minimum Viable Hologram Sessions - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-15-jul-15-minimum-viable-hologram-sessions/Understanding, Transforming, and Preserving Movement in Digital Spaces - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/mar-24-apr-28-understanding-transforming-and-preserving-movement-in-digital-spaces/Binary Calculations are Inadequate to Assess Us - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/apr-22-29-binary-calculations-are-inadequate-to-assess-us/The Song that I Sing is Part of an Echo - https://abladeofgrass.org/events/may-6-13-the-song-that-i-sing-is-part-of-an-echo/A BLADE OF GRASS Website: https://abladeofgrass.org/
shana deane
02:21:16
yes, please post the transcript :)
Béalleka Makau
02:21:20
Thank you for a brilliant, inspiring panel