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If there are stacked benefits, people will spend more on electrification...
Ted: we are about to release a financing study suggesting exactly that stacking of benefits. Webinar coming on that soon
Plumbers -- of course! Less piping!! :)
Your previous slide referenced plumbers and electricians. What about HVAC installers?
Those brutal California winters
Actually, probably more the cost of selling. "When I bring up heat pumps it starts arguments. I don't care what I install, I just want to get the job " is the plumbers I know.
Yes. Contractors dealing with customer confusion about new technology via telephone complaints is a cost too.
Plus Plumbers hate the thought of going back to the home to do maintenance after the sale of the water heater - sell, install and move on
VCHPs for space conditioning usually require a much smaller breaker (15-35amps) than a traditional condenser (50-60).
is that Sanden John Miles?
How about city permits? Gas permits are generally super easy, and many muni's have a lot of hoops for heat pumps. Would that also dissuade contractors?
Good point about having space in the panel...
Yes, actually Eco2 Systems John Miles ;-)
We have pulled 10 natural gas meters, 1 propane and 1 oil
Natural gas future prices are rising rapidly https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/natural-gas/natural-gas.html
Donna, Sorry if I missed this in the beginning, did your line of questioning ever differentiate between choice for new installations versus retrofits?
Need to differentiate between traditional heat pumps, which cut out in the high 30's, vs. mini splits (variable capacity heat pumps) which are effective in much colder climates.
And, were the contractors an even mix of larger contractor firms (who do both commercial and MFR?/SFR?) and small shops, for example, 1-2 persons or sole proprietor plumbers, for example? (can you characterize your respondent pool a bit more?)
Carrier Greenspeed and others go to -20f. So persistent myths is a problem.
Ted, traditional single or dual speed vs. variable capacity.
HVAC contractors are exposed to enclosure risk. IF they don't understand how good/bad the enclosure (leakage) is, they have a lot of risk that is beyond their control, or even understanding.
Ken, most have cop greater than zero down to 5f
Not all that surprising bc electricians don't typically get involved in the WH selection.
Great discussion and questions all. We will ask donna after her comments end. keep it going!
Pardon... COP greater than 1.
big new seminal study on the future of gas put out by Energy Commission last week: The Challenge of RetailGas in California’s LowCarbon Future. https://ww2.energy.ca.gov/2019publications/CEC-500-2019-055/CEC-500-2019-055-F.pdf
We recommend grid (backup) for many reasons, comfort during defrost, but the greatest benefit is reheat dehumidification.
Did you talk about how heat pumps could replace air conditioning systems? I’m guessing that panels that can handle AC, can handle heat pump replacement.
Many solar installers are starting to consider electrification upgrades as a side business as solar reaches mass adoption in some areas. I’d like to know if the research team is aware of better surveys on that trend.
I dunno, it could be" those ol' husbands " that harbor those tales of gas always being cheaper- better- don't question me.
A boiler installation requires both a plumber and an electrician…
Typical for husbands to call out “wives tales”! Passing the blame!
My guess is that in older homes with indoor gas water heaters, replacing a new gas water heater would not be up to code (inadequate space, inadequate combustion air, improper venting, etc.), but the plumbers, based on their experience will install it anyway. However, because they have less experience with HPWH, they would tend to follow code and manufacturer's installation requirements.
PACE soured people on financing for low income because of net worth eradication?
Would 0% financing (a planned Canadian federal initiative) get over the barrier of adding debt to LMI households? Or is debt debt
IMO, 40k worth of windows is not equal to a 3k water heater.....
How about create an incentive at the supply house that makes Heat Pumps $500 less than straight AC? Then let the sales force drive change.
Thats the one, Ted.
Yes, we should not be perpetuating stereotyping, nor looking to assign "blame.' Let's move forward with positive and equitable solutions for all.
need to make it hard to choose gas
What are the HPWH maintenance needs that respondents cite?
I don't believe that upstream incentives work, too much mark up occurs before customer gets the equitment. Incentives & rebates are the best way to drive adoption. It puts money in the customers hands.
Have you considered recommending HP to replace AC systems. Many AC systems need to be replaced - might be easier to replace AC systems with heat pumps than replacing boilers with heat pumps…
Midwest Energy had a financing mechanism that allowed them to finance "beyond the meter" that I thought was pretty cool.
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Follow up to previous question, would additional maintenance be due to Contractors not installing correctly?
Not COMMISSIONING properly too...
@Karl, I agree, and would include midstream incentives in that same difficulty. Even if the mark-up isn't great, just the lack of transparency and perception from the customer overrides any sort of sense of trust they are not being somehow "taken." This is a serious challenge-- that the "seller/ or of the marketing" does not have the customer's interests at heart, but their own bottom line??
Vancouver will be requiring commissioning for all new homes (gas and electric) starting 2021 as well as ventilation (HRV's)
Commissioning the thermostat takes us 30 minutes. Many simply plug in and walk away