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City of Quesnel Community Meeting: Carriage House Design Plans - Shared screen with speaker view
Elizabeth
01:04:15
Can the 'ready to use plans' be used in the CRD? Specifically Red Bluff area?
Alyson Gourley-Cramer, Monogram
01:05:20
Thanks so much for this question, Elizabeth. We will be providing feedback directly on designs first and then have time for general questions after. Please keep this one handy!
tturner
01:09:00
Elizabeth the plans will be available to CRD residents. You will need to confirm with the CRD's planning/building department to determine if your lot is eligible. We can further this reply in the general question section.
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
01:09:28
Were the plans from other cities costed out?
Diane's Computer
01:13:59
has the city considered allowing small mobile homes that are on wheels and I am waiting to see what is available on only one floor
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
01:15:13
What did you use as construction costs per square foot
Kevin
01:15:24
We are providing a rough estimated cost of construction bur the packages will have a closer estimate with the package release to the public.
Jonathan Simpson
01:15:41
storeage on the first floor is somewhat lacking
Jonathan Simpson
01:15:57
second floor bedrooms is not ideal for accessability
Diane's Computer
01:15:57
not for mee too many stairs
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
01:15:59
Design #1 feedback
tturner
01:16:22
Michelle just want to clarify your question? I am only aware of one other community that has done a similar project - Nelson. We did not cost out their plans. They sell their plans for $1,000.
Jessica Ball
01:16:25
Harrier Homestead - 1. The mudroom off the garage is great. 2. no double sink up stairs, smaller dwelling need more storage then luxury
Kevin
01:16:30
We used the RS Means data for 2022 to estimate cost.
Tanya Shymko
01:16:31
what is the footprint size?
Elizabeth
01:16:59
Are the bedrooms on the ground floor?
Christine
01:17:15
The two drawings show different things. What is the actual look?
DK
01:17:17
How are you heating/cooling?
Jonathan Simpson
01:17:27
is there a utility space?
Jesse Anderson
01:17:42
Would it be possible to scale up the garage size?
Jonathan Simpson
01:17:44
got it
Elizabeth
01:17:44
Ooops! Must be just labelled wrong!
Christine
01:17:54
Can the garage door be on the short wall?
Diane's Computer
01:17:56
not interested in any thing with stairs
Christine
01:18:14
It's in the chat
Christine
01:20:11
Are they solar ready?
Patrick
01:20:30
hydronic infloor heat works well on new construction as well.
DK
01:20:48
Rural areas have limited access to gas infrastructure (areas outside of quesnel proper) - might be worth providing a heat-pump or alternate electrical heating/cooling design
Kevin
01:21:20
Hydronics would require an HRV to meet the ventilation requirements of the Code.
Jesse Anderson
01:21:22
I'd asked about scaling garage size.
Christine
01:21:42
Not enough time or detail for me to do that.
Brian Hunt
01:21:47
What is the foundation?
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
01:22:24
Where is the furnace and hot water tank?
Jonathan Simpson
01:22:27
need to improve more storage space on the ground floor
Kevin
01:23:01
Heat pumps are difficult in our climate region but it is an option for sure but you would still need an HRV installed.
Brian Hunt
01:23:21
3, I think it would be a good fit for the neighbourhood as long as it is completed
Jonathan Simpson
01:23:26
The trouble for me is I'm not looking for a garage
Jonathan Simpson
01:23:46
thanks
Linda Birch
01:23:59
Are we able to build in uplands?
Patrick
01:24:08
I would be more interested in something that has all the bottom dedicated to garage/workshop space.
Jonathan Simpson
01:24:25
next one is for you then
Jonathan Simpson
01:25:06
is the void space under the roof available for storage?
Alyson Gourley-Cramer, Monogram
01:25:22
QUAIL QUARTERS #2
Jonathan Simpson
01:26:22
any access to the stairs from inside the garage?
Shannon Lund
01:26:36
We have an existing garage and want to add a living quarters above. Can the measurements be adjusted?
Jessica Ball
01:26:46
Interesting take on the standard carriage home design!
Katharine Wall
01:28:20
Could the outdoor patio be converted to a second bedroom
Kevin
01:28:24
The packages are given as an entire project so if you have an existing structure or accessory building it is possible but it would be done as a separate permit package.
Elizabeth
01:28:35
You said that there is some flexibility in the plans, can it be built by mirroring the top design only?
Kevin
01:29:27
Hi Elizabeth that is possible for sure.
Jessica Ball
01:30:05
Quail Quarters 1. Very neat idea with the Covered second floor deck, great for wheather in Quesnel. 2.door entrance from inside and outside
DK
01:30:13
i'd recommend just taking the ground floor up to the roof in the south area of the garage for easy access to storing long materials
Jonathan Simpson
01:33:34
again, its a garage thing
Brian Hunt
01:33:55
2 for us, not something that would fit our property
Elizabeth
01:34:38
I would like the windows and patio overlooking a green space rather than a driveway.
Patrick
01:34:40
these are the two carriage house designs, they have 3 other designs that are just secondary dwellings, no garage.
Linda Birch
01:35:04
I like the design!
Alyson Gourley-Cramer, Monogram
01:35:34
SECONDARY DWELLINGS
Shannon Lund
01:35:35
I like design 2
Alyson Gourley-Cramer, Monogram
01:35:47
GROUSE GARDEN FLAT #3
Jessica Ball
01:38:07
Grouse Garden Flat 1. Love the Circulation of the design. Also love the covered porch/deck area, that's great in colder climate for snow removal. 2. Smaller front porch for more kitchen space. seems tight.
DK
01:39:18
my largest concern is the patio double doors right outside of the bedroom - good if you have a secure area, but if you have issues with security (whether it be a bear or a person knocking on the door)
Jessica Ball
01:39:30
Love the dormer to let in natural light.
Jonathan Simpson
01:40:27
agreed about one floor design
Brian Hunt
01:40:43
The walk-in closet could be made smaller and bath/storage made a bit bigger. Great design overall.
Jessica Ball
01:41:00
Great design for Age in place!!!
DK
01:41:14
2 bedrooms in 750 sq ft/
Jonathan Simpson
01:41:33
good suggestion from Brian Hunt
DK
01:41:33
I've lived in 750 sq ft, it's not a lot of space...
Travel with Joni
01:41:36
second bedroom yes ..because an office is required.
Jonathan Simpson
01:43:04
only problem with my property is the square floorplan would be hard to fit
Brian Hunt
01:43:19
4 from us, like the accessibiltiy and design is aesthetically pleasing, love the upper windows.
Elizabeth
01:43:24
Not sure how the snow would do with the windows on the roof!
Brian Hunt
01:43:56
Snow rake!
Christine
01:44:30
What other accessibility features are part of the design? Doors look narrow?
Alyson Gourley-Cramer, Monogram
01:44:39
#4 CHICKADEE COTTAGE
Allegra
01:44:46
love the names
Kevin
01:45:33
Any changes to these packages once finalized would have to be minor in other words no structural changes or added living spaces. This is why it is important to share your thoughts and opinions in the meeting or in the survey. Keep in mind these packages are to be permit ready so altering to much would be difficult, minor changes are not an issue.
DK
01:46:23
(to add to Kevin's comment - this would include any plumbing fixtures)
Kevin
01:47:03
Correct DK good point.
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
01:47:09
Is the ground and upper floor labelled wrong
Linda Birch
01:47:12
If we had property could we build any of these plans as a primary dwelling or are these plans only for secondary dwellings?
Jessica Ball
01:47:39
Chickadee Cottage 1. Really like the open concept living kitchen space. Like that is has two bedrooms, could be changed to office/flex space depending on owner. Great flexibility in design. Dormer, again great for natural light 2. No double sink, more storage is better. Lacks overhang on at entrance, nice for colder wheather climate.
DK
01:48:22
primary dwellings require sizing of services
Patrick
01:48:26
if you built these with a 4-5' crawlspace, that makes for great storage, just need an access point.
Travel with Joni
01:48:43
i spoke to city hall and we were told we can make the new build the primary
Travel with Joni
01:48:57
as our primary is currently only 754
DK
01:49:41
kudo! snow is a major factor
tturner
01:49:45
Hey Joni - this has definitely not been discussed at City Hall:) We will get a formal reply out to all soon.
Elizabeth
01:50:15
Are they equipped with fireplaces (gas or wood burning)?
Travel with Joni
01:50:27
Ok it was in our discussion when Mike came down to talk about tis
Jonathan Simpson
01:50:59
i would be interested in wood or pellet stove options
DK
01:51:25
wood is a prevalent source of heat for rural areas
Alyson Gourley-Cramer, Monogram
01:52:31
#5 Kingfisher Cabin feedback
Allegra
01:52:37
what is the status of approval for these designs in the CRD? or will they only be approved inside city limits?
Jonathan Simpson
01:53:11
energy efficient design might be a negative due to the requirement to be able to squeez into smaller available spaces
Kevin
01:54:24
They will be available in the fringe CRD area free of charge we are jointly reviewing the plans for compliance with the BCBC but you will have to contact the CRD planning department for more information.
Christine
01:54:39
Meeting step 5
Elizabeth
01:55:44
That is bigger than our house! LOL Might have to build this as a primary and make our current house a secondary! I like the open concept, and the covered porches, but not electric heat.
Shannon Lund
01:56:43
As these are stand alone designs it would have been beneficial to many existing homes in Quesnel to have included a few designs for add ons. Mainly extending or adding a second floor.
DK
01:56:46
sun hitting windows = energy inefficient
jeff.young
01:56:52
What is the wall framing thickness to achieve step 5?
DK
01:57:14
@jeff, probably offset 2x4 design, just my assumption though
jeff.young
01:57:43
With exterior insulation then?
Shannon Lund
01:58:48
We have a triple lot with 2 sewer lines. We would live to build a small unit above the garage. And being able to access both connections.
James
01:59:36
does there have to be vehicle access from the front of the property or is it allowed to be accessed from the back?
Kevin
01:59:38
Hi DK there are different ways to achieve this, it can be installed on the exterior or interior so there are different thicknesses that would be required. Most likely installed on the exterior.
Shannon Lund
01:59:39
We were told we could only use the one connection. What is the reason for not being able to access the 2nd connection?
Jessica Ball
02:00:44
King Fisher Cabin. 1. Great compact design. Really like the entrance overhang and closet space. 2. more suited for a larger out skirting lot - very big
Kevin
02:01:32
Yes we typically only permit one service per lot for several reasons please contact us at City Hall for more information.
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
02:02:07
General Question #1
Jessica Ball
02:02:11
1. An extention of design 3 with an additional room/flex space. Still accessible but a little bigger.
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
02:02:19
2 bedroom accessible
Jessica Ball
02:02:36
2. Bit more roof overhang on all designs for the snow.
Elizabeth
02:03:18
Do the first two designs have to be built behind the existing house or can it be built beside or in front of the existing house?
Allegra
02:03:22
more roof snow overhang.
Katharine Wall
02:03:28
Plan 2 being 2 bedrooms. There are more people looking for multiple bedroom rentals the single bedroom
Alyson Gourley-Cramer, Monogram
02:03:28
In order for Q 1: Jonathan, DK, Amanda and Diane
Francine
02:03:36
A carriage house that has a 2 car garage
Jessica Ball
02:03:50
3. I think all designs are a really great starting point for ADUs in a rural community. I think these are well suited for aging in place and mortgage helpers.
Jessica Ball
02:04:32
2. I would like to see a version of #2 but only 2 car garage. This would be hard to fit on a smaller lot.
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
02:04:37
I agree with my space, a more rectangle design would work best.
Christine
02:05:06
I agree with Jesica's comment
Alyson Gourley-Cramer, Monogram
02:05:24
Then Allegra and Elizabeth
Shannon Lund
02:06:09
Please consider designing units that can be built above existing buildings, like garages. Also, give access to the 2nd sewer connection if the property has one. By allowing these, you would have more homeowners willing to do this.
Christine
02:06:40
Yes, more options for over a garage/shop
Patrick
02:07:29
little bit different climate here from Vancouver, we have a pretty heavy heat load here in winter, pretty challenging to heat affordably with just electricity.
Jessica Ball
02:07:32
4. I really like hardy plank for the walls and I think tin for roof are preferred durable materials for the caribou region. I would really love to see some more green roofs to help with climate change efforts and great way to add greenery in urban spaces.
Christine
02:09:11
I think a more open plan for the accessible unit would be good. And I hope things like electrical plugs would be at a higher level & within easier reach.
Kevin
02:09:32
Attaching to an existing building would require fire separations and other code issues so packages would not take this into account and would require alterations by the designer as well as zoning issues may arise.
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
02:09:58
What is ICF materials
Patrick
02:10:06
insulated concrete forms
Kevin
02:10:28
Insulated Concrete Forms
Amanda Gillcash
02:10:32
Thanks Kevin
Patrick
02:10:36
its a Styrofoam building block filled with concrete, very sturdy, lots of thermal mass
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
02:10:37
General question #2
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
02:12:33
General question #3
Jessica Ball
02:13:13
aging in place design and mortgage helpers - I like the versatility of all designs
Christine
02:13:32
I would like to see garage access from the short wall, assuming that the unit is oriented along the length of the lot
Patrick
02:14:04
you can do infloor heating with an electric boiler, electric heat pumps are an option, or ductless split heat pumps.
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
02:14:16
1 floor, 2 bedroom, rectangle design
Jonathan Simpson
02:14:28
agreed with the one floor designs. or primary living space on the ground floor
Jesse Anderson
02:14:43
A carriage house with a single floor design would be great.
Patrick
02:14:55
invest in insulation and energy efficient designs you have a much lower heat load.
Elizabeth
02:14:58
Thank you!
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
02:15:05
General question #4
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
02:15:32
Asphalt shingle
Allegra
02:15:35
metal
Amanda Gillcash
02:15:43
metal
Patrick
02:15:46
METAL!!
Jessica Ball
02:15:47
TIN ROOFS
Jonathan Simpson
02:15:47
asphalt, slate/ceramic
Jesse Anderson
02:15:54
Metal or asphalt.
DK
02:15:55
asphalt = economical and easy to replace
Jessica Ball
02:15:55
GREEN ROOFS
Shannon Lund
02:15:56
Asphalt or metal
DK
02:16:22
metal or ceramic requires more structural support
Tanya Shymko
02:16:32
I think it depends on the main residence. For myself, vinyl & asphalt.
Patrick
02:16:47
metal is not expensive, but if done right, life expencancy makes it much more economical
Linda Birch
02:16:49
Yes, Thank You! We think this will benefit Quesnel greatly!
Jonathan Simpson
02:16:53
how does a green roof do with snow load?
Christine
02:17:01
Green Roof
Tanya Shymko
02:17:09
IIdon't think green roofs are a feasible option for our climate
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
02:17:12
General Question #4 (Walls)
Christine
02:17:26
Green roofs work well out at Troll
Patrick
02:17:30
sorry , metal IS expensive initially**
DK
02:17:33
any chance for interior green walls? DIRT?
Allegra
02:17:37
metal and fiber cement board
Jessica Ball
02:17:38
Fiber Cement Plank
Michelle Daniels (she/her)
02:17:38
Vinyl, Stucco hardy board
Jonathan Simpson
02:17:39
wood, shingle, vinyl
Jonathan Simpson
02:18:11
not sure about the tile, don't know the product
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
02:18:41
https://letsconnectquesnel.ca/adus
Jessica Ball
02:18:59
Great Designs and Great Ideas for ADUS Packages to promote housing in the City!
DK
02:19:14
will these drawings be construction drawings or will there be additional engineering costs required?
Elizabeth
02:19:52
Will you be sharing the slides with us?
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
02:20:05
https://letsconnectquesnel.ca/adus
Amanda Gillcash
02:21:10
For Tony All your designs are just great
Patrick
02:21:24
thanks tony
Jessica Ball
02:21:26
Thank you :)
Jonathan Simpson
02:21:27
thanks
Melissa Darou, Monogram Communications
02:21:32
https://letsconnectquesnel.ca/embeds/projects/25176/survey-tools/29640