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Community Education Pardes
20:58
Reminder to please mute and shut your videos when Rachel starts to teach. Muting and closing your video does not mean that you cannot be an active participant.
Erica Sokoloff
22:14
You will bet able to see Rachel and see and hear her more clearly when you mute and turn off your video. Thank you.
Community Education Pardes
22:55
Connie please turn off your video
Community Education Pardes
23:32
Barbara please turn off your video
Erica Sokoloff
28:40
What a beautiful and heartfelt introduction. Thank you:)
iPhone201-906-9327
29:32
Thank you for expressing what we are all feeling !
iPhone201-906-9327
31:17
lots of peeps have video on
Ruth Kaplan
33:52
We sang the song every summer at our Reform Movement summer camp. Why?
Wendy Liebow
35:09
when was this written? performed?
Sigalit Davis
35:13
it is a popular sung balade
A Ginsburg
35:38
I learned this song at Camp Ramah in Canada in the very early 60s.
Heather
36:12
my daughter's name is Petra!
Solange Tajchman
36:16
I knew this song but did not have the context
Susan Mayer
36:20
Is Stuart a professional "speaker" -- someone on radio or TV or recording books?
Barb Kessel
37:05
a physician. but he wd be pleased that you asked
Susan Mayer
39:58
Part of Stuart's vocal charm is the accent. He is South African? Americans (or me, anyway) often are impressed with an British-type accent.
Community Education Pardes
40:33
Sorell please close your video
tammy
40:50
His voice has a wonderful resonance.
Sarah Schachter
41:20
The melody reminds me of camels walking in the desert
Lawrence Kaplan
41:45
I know this! Famous. Took me a while to realize that red rock was sela haadom.
Barb Kessel
42:16
me too! go know!
Anne Clark
42:16
Stuart is from the UK.
rachel amaru
43:26
where did she say aria lavie sang?
Kitty Hoffman
43:33
In the lat 1960s stupid N. American kids were smuggling themselves across the Jordanian border to see Petra.
Karin Adelman
43:46
In a club in Yafo
Esther’s iPad
43:56
song Gloomy Sunday about unrequited love in Hungarian
Esther’s iPad
44:10
droning i
Esther’s iPad
44:38
drowning themselves in Danube
Alan Teperow
45:56
Without knowing it’s meaning, I learned sela haadom as a teenager. To this day I sing it -along with others such as hakotel, erev shel shoshanim, etc. to my kids and now grandkids as a lullaby medley. It puts them to sleep every time :-).
Mel Barenholtz
46:39
Rachel should have mentioned the Hebrew title of the song - Has'ela Ha'adom - familiar to many of us who never heard of The Red Rock
Susan Mayer
47:55
Kitty -- I don't think it was only North American kids. BTW, I've met lots of foolish Israeli teens, and I understand there is a sport for Israeli soldiers stationed near Eilat to go to the movies on the Jordanian side (if something better is playing there than on the Israeli side.) Actually, lack of "sechel" seems to transcend country of origin.
Jon Tepper
48:52
I believe this is Dr. Stuart L Stanton, an leading OB/GYN clinician and researcher, and professor at Univ. of London
Susan Mayer
50:10
:-) I have a long history of intensely disliking OB/GYNs, but now I'll have to reconsider. :-)
Sigalit Davis
50:45
thy wanted to stay secular!
Kitty Hoffman
51:00
Yes, Susan Mayer — I’ve been following Rachel’s narrative. I just wanted to add that even N. American kids spending a summer in Israel joined the foolishness. :)
Rhea Dorn
51:21
It’s a pacifist anthem. Think about thinking that you need to kill the enemy soldier.
Lawrence Kaplan
52:58
It is not pacifist at all. Do you think soldiers need to dehumanize the enemy to kill them in war???
Tova Shimon
53:09
in chapter 3 of Bereshit Kein and Hevel are in the image of G. Yet one murdered his brother....
Lawrence Kaplan
53:53
Point of poem stated by Radak . KILLER loses the image of man.
Susan Mayer
55:10
Yes, Tovah but I don't think that the story of Cain and Abel means it is OK or GOOD to kill people. Quite the contrary.
Iris
55:51
Dishonorable discharge.
Marion Stein
55:55
dishonorable discharge
Sigalit Davis
57:00
Rabin didn't want to be rebuked
Lawrence Kaplan
57:10
Almagor is directly calling on soldiers to disobey orders.
Michael Kaftor
57:19
Not just a call .. but a call for mutiny
Elizabeth
58:30
Sometimes orders are immoral
Sigalit Davis
58:34
he sacrificed everything through and through! never targeted or planned civilian population - so TZELEM for him came in inappropriate times!
Heather Silverman
58:52
On a different subject. I changed to a new Facebook layout and couldn’t access the lectures. I had to revert to an earlier layout. So this is a word to everyone to beware of changing their layout.
Sorrel Kerbel
59:27
a humanitarian par excellence ...
Rena Orenstein
59:37
B’Tselem organization named for the same biblical concept
Sigalit Davis
59:44
Let us never lose the Tzelem...
Lawrence Kaplan
01:00:55
It is one thing to sharply criticize government policy It is another to directly call on soldiers to disobey orders.
Judith Kurland
01:01:07
does anyone know what happened to the general who first authorized the performance and recording?
Community Education Pardes
01:01:30
A number of you have turned on your videos-please close the video. It does not affect your participation in the class but it does affect ours as it takes away from the bandwitdth
Bernie Horn
01:01:52
Mitzneh ran for Prime Minister
leo
01:01:59
one also needs to understand how dangerous it was for the soldiers when rocks were being thrown at them. I heard this from my son in law. It was terrifying.
rachel amaru
01:03:19
i work with vets doing writing workshops dealing with trauma and moral injury. there are definitely times when there is a moral imperative to not follow orders. (My Lai?) He is not calling for mutiny. There are some orders that should not be followed — this also happened in the Third Reich, unfortunately few and far between.
Heather Silverman
01:03:49
I agree!
DEBRA GLAZER
01:05:53
RE Leo's comment, a soldier was just killed two days ago on Lag Ba'Omer by a heavy rock thrown at him He was apparently the family's only child.
Tova Shimon
01:06:35
The message of C& H chapter has many messages. one of them is the question-how come man killed man? are they equal, the killer and the killed? G in his action models a punishment of killing. I am against killing but also against the misguided assumption that all people are healthy and want P.
Solange Tajchman
01:06:47
sung beautifully by choir for Israeli and Palestinian Memorial day ceremony
Sorrel Kerbel
01:07:36
I’m involved in publishing Litvak testimony not published before - leyb Koniuchowsky’s stories about the Lithuanian slaughter of its Jews uses both Chad gadyo and a boy who won’t eat his pet goat ...and Genesis Almagest
rachel amaru
01:10:52
so awesome seeing this choir sing this song… so powerful.
Esther’s iPad
01:11:33
was used in choreography by Ohed Naharin
Rhea Dorn
01:11:47
What is the web site for this?
ehpressmang@gmail.com
01:12:39
What year did the choir record this?
Lawrence Kaplan
01:12:45
Entirely disagree .Israelis say how terrible they are. Where are Palestinian voices speaking against their violence, their placing bombs in cafes?
Me Barenholtz
01:13:25
They do not exist.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:13:55
Right. So what type of fake reconciliation is this?
Mel Barenholtz
01:14:43
Right.
pruethorner@gmail.com
01:17:31
Sorel - Mute yourself!!!
Cheryl Birkner Mack
01:24:30
In response for Palestinian voices speaking out against violence, I would imagine the women in that choir we heard are some of those voices
Barb Kessel
01:24:33
Strange Fruit
Phyllis Steiner
01:24:53
agreed
rachel amaru
01:25:12
so are some of the people working at ROOTS (settlers & palestinians… they speak together all over the US).
Lawrence Kaplan
01:25:15
Or the killing of Ahmed Arberry this moth.
Frona Kahn
01:26:33
Rachel: today. voices that need to be heard, always.
Solange Tajchman
01:27:11
Agree, Frona!
Lawrence Kaplan
01:27:12
Cheryl: Where is the famous Palestinian equivalent of Chad Gadya, where Palestinians , criticize their own violence.
Cheryl Birkner Mack
01:27:33
I continue to search for it.
Tova Shimon
01:28:38
What a shameful story. I was an immigrant to Israel and in Shikun Mizrachi in Rehovot had neighbours from Yemen. We were good friends but we did not know about this story!
Susan Mayer
01:28:56
Lawrence -- Can you explain your remark about Ahmed Arbury? I'm really confused. I can't imagine you are citing his killing as a good thing. If that his the case, don't bother replying.
rachel amaru
01:30:02
I am finding Lawrence’s comments incredibly offensive. They are seriously interrupting this class, and no doubt would be very offensive to Rachel too.
Ruth Kaplan
01:30:30
I'm sure he was responding to "Strange Fruit." Saying that there are still lynching's today.
Barb Kessel
01:30:45
can we create a separate group for politics and leave this chat for literature? i ask with respect.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:30:48
Obviously I ma comparing the teentof arberry ot the
Ruth Kaplan
01:31:21
This is not politics.
Jon Tepper
01:32:08
Yes, indeed: my first visit to Israel was the SUmmer of '69 on Ramah Israel Seminar. What cognitive dissonance: one the one hand Sir LaShalom, Aquarius, on the other, the war of attrition at the Suez Canal was in its second year.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:33:01
Obviously I am comparing the shameful treatment and murder of Arberry to Strange fruit. Saying w still have lynching today. As Ruth kaplan understood.
Michael Kaftor
01:33:31
YOU bring the day!
Diana Heller
01:33:35
I thought it was clear
rachel amaru
01:34:05
it wasn’t clear based on other comments. thank you for clarifying.
Michael Kaftor
01:34:05
YOU bring that day!
Lawrence Kaplan
01:34:17
Hard to understand how it could have been so misunderstood.
Esther’s iPad
01:34:38
it was obvious to me as well
Mel Barenholtz
01:35:08
And to me
Erica Sokoloff
01:35:28
Glad it’s now clarified for all. Thank you.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:36:31
Problem with chat is that is sometimes not clear what comment is responding to what. .
Frona Kahn
01:37:47
What a full circle.
Violet
01:37:57
I find it very distracting
Cheryl Birkner Mack
01:38:22
you can close the Chat feature
Tova Shimon
01:39:18
This was very painful and illuminating.
Ruth Kaplan
01:39:21
l'hitraot.
edith
01:39:25
Thanks again, Rachel, for an enlightening class.
Rena Orenstein
01:39:52
Wonderful, Rachel! Shabbat shalom!
Steven Broder
01:39:54
Terrific class. Shabbat Shalom to Rachel V'Kulam.
Aviva Lev-Ari
01:39:58
Rachel, Shabbat Shalom — Wonderful session this week as in the past, Aviva Lev-Ari
iPad (6)Joyce Goldberg
01:39:59
a Very Special Thank you for an amazing lecture. Shabbat Shalom to all
iPad
01:40:04
thank you from London
Tova Shimon
01:40:12
Shabbat Shalom Rachel and All.Toda.
Rena Orenstein
01:40:13
Hebrew language class is great!!
Susan Axe-Bronk
01:40:20
thank you! interesting class.
Rosemary Linsider
01:40:32
Shabbat Shalom!
Erica Sokoloff
01:40:51
Shabbat shalom
Jon Tepper
01:42:26
Wishing you all a Shabbat Shalom.
Solange Tajchman
01:42:32
name of store?
Harriet Wolpoff
01:42:45
So many sessions just blow me away, including yesterday and today!!
Anna Szeszler
01:44:18
I enjoyed today just listen you. Shabbat Shalom
Solange Tajchman
01:45:27
There has been censorship in the US as well. Books that were banned, etc…
iPad
01:46:20
in the USA YOU HAD Mcarthy
Kitty Hoffman
01:46:23
Yes, and it still goes on via seizure of books at the border, etc. And ‘rating’ of films.
Kitty Hoffman
01:48:00
also — ‘libel chill’
Violet
01:51:37
There were many shameful chapters, including the "Lost children."
Susan Mayer
01:53:09
Thank you Rachel. Excellent class today.
Elisabeth Shapiro’s iPad
02:05:28
thank you for another amazing session, that made us reflect t
Elisabeth Shapiro’s iPad
02:05:41
and think deeply. שבת שלום
michael newman
02:06:07
Self censorship is perhaps the most consequential. Concern about the consequences of speaking of our wrong makes us weaker and compromised and enabling if not strengthening evil doers.
ehpressmang@gmail.com
02:08:17
Rachel I always learn so much from you and this class was no exception!
gila
02:09:22
Thank you very much, Rachel, shabbat shalom!
Kitty Hoffman
02:09:51
Thank you again Rachel for another extraordinary class. Shabbat shalom to everyone.
gavrielle
02:11:45
Thank you, Rachel. So sad to learn this, and so important to know.
gavrielle
02:12:00
Shabbat Shalom.