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'Voices for Badgers' Badger Culling and vaccination: where is the 2020 “Next Steps” policy trying to take us? - Shared screen with speaker view
carl Adams
53:30
Good presentation. Where next? What are the options to change policy?
Pauline Weir
59:34
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Sarah Reisz
01:06:35
exactly!!
Sarah Reisz
01:10:35
Brilliant Mark thank you
carl Adams
01:13:04
Yes, a lot of politics.
Dave Williams
01:18:57
its really a badger eradication scheme
Pete Butchers
01:21:07
It seems to me that the science and stats behind the whole culling 'study' is cr*p. For example, you do not alter more than one variable at a time to determine cause and effect...
Mary Barton
01:21:22
At least 1.7 million cattle movement in the UK every year. No wonder bTB is spreading. Biosecurity is the key
Caroline Mcarthur
01:22:13
absolutely. Well said. Good ideas
Sharon Salter
01:23:07
well said nigel
Roger Weeks
01:23:17
Absolutely Nigel
Jan Smith
01:24:52
Gov policy won't change so concentrate on speaking directly with the farmers - well said Nigel
carl Adams
01:25:29
Yes, speak to farmers and to the public … yes change the hearts and minds, and value badgers / wildlife .. the voters change politician's politics
Melanie Reeves
01:25:58
Bravo Nigel
Sue Edwards
01:26:05
Do other badger trusts speak to farmers or is it just Nigel?
Renee Hockley-Byam
01:26:27
Here in Essex it’s frightening to think that cattle are brought in from all over the place and may bring disease with them potentially infecting our wildlife. There seem to be so many little herds popping up all over the place.
Angela Williams
01:26:34
The majority of the public are already anti-cull. Directly contacting farmers and trying to get vets to come out as anti-cull may be the way forward. Something has to change as the current situation is stagnant.
Lou Shk
01:26:42
Does the govt factor in the fact that culling its main inadequacies aside, for the most part increases badger movement in terms of the existing badgers in the clan.. they end up roaming further exacerbating the problem if they do indeed have btb also intermingling with different badger populations they wouldn’t normally mingle with and increases risk of different diseases.
Melanie Reeves
01:27:45
I'm seeing two different Dominic Dyers..??
Pauline Weir
01:29:30
Nigel such great ideas
Melanie Reeves
01:30:40
Absolutely Ian...
Pauline Weir
01:31:49
GB a land of animal lovers? Really?
Jan Smith
01:35:31
Excellent panel Chris and good to see Nigel Tolley
carl Adams
01:36:41
The economic impact assessment is an interesting Ian, the Treasury guides on economic analysis is to use the Green Book … which has to include other aspects such as social and environmental impacts. Eradicating a key natural species for the ecosystem must have a big negative impact on that ecosystem.
Sammy
01:38:09
Two-headed hydra, very good image.Poor Geronimo :(
Melanie Reeves
01:39:52
Corruption as usual
Sarah Reisz
01:40:50
Very very well said Dominic
Mary Barton
01:41:49
Who are these people who are pulling all the strings? Are we talking about NFU? Senior Civil Servants?
Sammy
01:42:49
£££££
Roger Weeks
01:46:17
I think the NFU box well over its actual political power a lot less farmers these days. So have they still the power they claim.
Mary Barton
01:48:59
can wen go higher than Defra?
Sammy
01:51:13
Yes! Destroy the hydra!!
Mary Barton
01:52:51
Do we talk to NFU?
Melanie Reeves
01:53:00
The wildlife trust here in Cornwall are doing great work liasing with farmers...
Angela Williams
01:53:10
Think talking to NFU been tried.
Pete Butchers
01:53:13
How can we best use the media to achieve our ends...
carl Adams
01:54:36
The media, and reaching the public, has to be one part of the solution.
ZOE WILSON
01:55:03
I'm terrified Defra/APHA are asking anyone with 5 or more ferrets in a household to register them in connection with the transmission of covid by mustelids is this the next horror !
Mary Barton
01:55:20
The Badger cull is old news. We have to have something really big to get attention.
Mery Wolke
01:58:23
apathy is the biggest threat to animal welfare
Sharon Salter
01:58:49
could I get a copy of the briefing from mark
carl Adams
01:59:29
It may be old news … but probably old news for the older people …. there is a new generation of younger enlightened people concerned with the environment and wildlife … perhaps we should look at social media …. DEFRA probably have a social media person!
Mary Barton
01:59:44
We haven't really touched on cattle vaccination which was supposed to be the solution with the Diva test approved by 2014
Sarah Reisz
02:00:29
Carl I agree
carl Adams
02:00:56
a nice report here on DEFRA social media spend https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/defra-spend-on-social-media
Sarah Reisz
02:01:13
NGOs are not the cavalry young people who care are
Roger Weeks
02:01:20
There is still a very strong safety issue surrounding the cull especially as it becomes so vast.
Dave Williams
02:04:02
While DEfra,s claim that badger culling works is accepted by the media we wont get much attention.
Mary Barton
02:04:44
yes Dave. I hear it every day.
Mary Barton
02:05:34
brilliant ideas
Melanie Reeves
02:05:44
I find it disgusting that this cull has been allowed to go on for 9 years..!!
Pauline Weir
02:06:34
And DUP wants to introduce this to our badgers in NI
carl Adams
02:07:15
thanks Ian
Pauline Weir
02:07:52
you guys are great and I thank you for what you are doing
Angela Williams
02:09:09
Should bring pressure to bear on supermarkets too - milk/dairy products from non-cull farms.
Melanie Reeves
02:09:10
A great panel of speakers, I could listen to you all for hours..!
carl Adams
02:10:33
Good point Angela … the supermarkets have a lot of political clout
Angela Williams
02:11:04
Thank you. It has the benefit also of highlighting the issue is live to the public.
Melanie Reeves
02:14:57
Good point Dominic
Pauline Weir
02:18:14
could badgers become extinct in England?
carl Adams
02:18:30
One of the COVID impacts has been people have been engaging with their local environments …. politicians may be more open to consider that the population is likely to be more concerned about decimation of our wild life
carl Adams
02:18:41
So may be a good time to talk to politicians
Sammy
02:19:30
Addressing speciesism and humansupremacism is an important corner to fight
Angela Williams
02:19:33
If there was a real risk of extinction, then the Berne Convention claim would be v likely to succeed as it is predicated on species at risk of extinction. There are fortunately a lot of badgers still.
Melanie Reeves
02:20:37
Badgers only real predators are Humans so little risk of becoming endangered
Angela Williams
02:21:06
Although risk of local extinction.
Melanie Reeves
02:21:22
agree Angela
carl Adams
02:21:26
yep local extinction is a real risk!!!
carl Adams
02:21:33
so sad
Pauline Weir
02:22:13
That's what worries me about our badgers in NI if Stormont has their way
carl Adams
02:22:42
Thanks for all the panelists
Mary Barton
02:22:54
Yes, amazing work by so many people. Thank you
carl Adams
02:23:08
yes need to reach the younger people … they are ready and very concerned
Angela Williams
02:23:08
Thanks to all panellists - excellent webinar - and special thanks to Chris for organising.
Melanie Reeves
02:23:23
Thank you all absolutely fantastic discussion this evening.. can we get a copy of the recording please I missed the beginning
Sammy
02:23:47
Thanks to all the panellists. Very interesting
Mery Wolke
02:23:53
thank you all, I look forward to the next
Roger Weeks
02:23:56
Thanks to all brilliant.
Pauline Weir
02:23:59
this has been a terrific discussion its been great thank you
carl Adams
02:24:12
thanks all
REBECCA ROBINSON
02:24:15
Thanks to all panellists - excellent webinar .