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Energy: Suffolk, the East Coast and the Power to Innovate - Shared screen with speaker view
Robert Phillips
37:28
Did the PM’s “windy” intervention help or hinder what we are trying to achieve in the region?
Robert Phillips
39:55
Great that we have NG, Ofgem and SZC with us today. We are really sorry/ disappointed that scottish Power declined to take part - as we collectively seek joined-up solutions.
Ian Pease
42:01
I think it was a little misleading, I've spent most of the last two weeks explaining to people that whilst offshore wind will support our domestic/home energy requirements, we still need to generate another two thirds or so to power industry, hospitals, schools, universities, electrified transport etc
Nigel
43:13
SPR’s attitude is not untypical of many of the energy majors. No doubt this will be debated anon.
Robert Phillips
48:42
Feedback from the first two roundtables included an urgent need for the energy majors to get together with NG and Ofgem to find a more “coherent” and unified approach to energy in the region
Nigel
52:50
Don’t forget Cadent, the water companies and transport planning authorities, as well of course as UKPN.
Robert Phillips
53:26
Yes. Thanks. Challenge is how we bring these groups together in a meaningful way and not “just another” talking shop!
Rodney Brook
54:52
I heard a great comment last week that the many people focussed on energy transition should remain aware of the wider context of sustainability eg amenity biodiversity - and of course social factors
Rodney Brook
01:03:49
Presumably post-Covid staycations will be beneficial to tourism opportunities? Or is it the view that East Suffolk might have attracted more overseas visitors?
Robert Phillips
01:04:59
Rodney - a point that Ian Wright, CEO of Food & Drink Federation made yesterday - was that visitors are as important a stakeholder group as residents…
Robert Phillips
01:24:52
Jonathan - sorry to interrupt you. Do post your thoughts on offshore ring main here..
Robert Phillips
01:27:51
Question for Rebecca, Pete and Graeme - is it possible to re-start/ kick-start conversations about a joined-up approach for on-shoring wind?
Johnathan Reynolds
01:28:14
Offshore Wind operations & maintenance is increasing! Moving from c.£340m now to around £1.3bn over the coming 5-10 years as the current pipeline is built out.
Nigel
01:29:36
Fully agree with Michael - we need sustainable, quality jobs, The Supply chain requirement for a CfD does not properly embrace this, and we need implementable commitments specified against local projects. Followed by ex post audit.
Tom McGarry
01:29:49
Sizewell B shows a lack of long-term legacy? 750 people work there - they all live within 25 miles of the station. What about all the apprentices there from Suffolk? I've worked in Leiston for a decade and genuine locals are supportive of the sector.
Ian Pease
01:33:52
world class centres - Cefas in Lowestoft - c. 300 highly qualified marine scientists operating from there
Tom McGarry
01:34:27
And one of the reasons it has remained in Lowestoft has been the work it undertakes on Sizewell
Robert Phillips
01:34:54
Centres of excellence seems like a sensible model - from education to delivery
Ian Pease
01:35:07
Great example of the energy ecosystem Tom
Rodney Brook
01:36:54
Huge new opportunities for local skills development for hydrogen supply chains. We have a track record of development for offshore and we can add to that all of the demand-side activity eg building and running refuelling stations, introducing and servicing hydrogen trucks and buses etc etc
Chrysoula Zervoudakis
01:39:52
what does 'working very hard' actually mean?
Michael Mahony
01:42:08
My understanding from the NGESO project is that NGESO are not looking at serious investment in the onshore network
Rodney Brook
01:46:57
Perhaps for national politicians who are not sure what to do, we need to "bring to life" practical solutions with demonstrator projects. The smallest projects which exemplify solutions which can be rolled out nationally and which appeal to local people and visitors, provide huge local leverage.
Michael Mahony
01:47:05
I see Tom has adn
Michael Mahony
01:47:58
Has admitted that SZB has not delivered for Leiston. Leiston is not a boom town
Rebecca Barnett
01:48:17
the current ESO study is looking at whether an integrated offshore network makes sense and a CBA associated with that. Not onshore investment per se (though an offshore integrated network impacts on onshore investment needs.
Graeme Cooper
01:49:01
Ng eso doesn’t have to deliver the infrastructure so you need both camps of national grid
Tom McGarry
01:49:57
No Michael - you described it as a Boom Town so as to imply it is experiencing a bust. The Town's economy services Sizewell B - go and have a look.
Robert Phillips
01:50:01
There is significant agreement her e- the challenge seems to be in integration (of thinking not just energy) and deliverability
Chrysoula Zervoudakis
01:50:18
all service people that we have to deal with along the coast seem to live in Leiston. They are not engineers at Siz B!
Michael Mahony
01:50:48
National Grid is a single organisation it needs to get its act together internally. You have to look at offshore and onshore holistically. The failure to do so has taken us to where we are today.
Rodney Brook
01:51:05
We are talking a lot about the small number of large issues eg SZ, Bacton, offshore. We also have many opportunities of large numbers of smaller activities - distributed and centralist energy thinking together.
SarahWilliamson
01:51:45
Ref hydrogen - part of SZC green construction strategy we are investigating hydrogen demonstrator for fuel for bussing
Tom McGarry
01:52:16
That is due to the housing stock in Leiston. Have you looked into the young people from Leiston who came out of the High School, became engineers, work at the station and then moved out of town?
Michael Mahony
01:52:19
Tom would you describe Leiston as prosperous?
Robert Phillips
01:52:57
To Tom’s point - addressing the housing crisis is key for attracting young people and skills. came up yesterday and Monday also
Robert Phillips
01:53:53
Maybe new work/ live/ skills hubs - suggested by Beth at UEA
Pete Abson
01:54:28
Michael worth been aware that the National Grid ESO is actually legally separated part of the business - therefore independent from the other parts of the business. We are however feeding in views on the need to coordinate onshore to align with their offshore work
Tom McGarry
01:56:37
No but I wouldn't suggest Sizewell B - or A - has had a negative influence and I would certainly say it has been positive. It has been an important source of local employment at all levels: we cannot all be engineers. Look into Leiston's history and the challenges it's faced as a post-industrial town. Look at education provision, access to FE (rural transport) and also look at migration out of the town - quite often of young local people who became engineers and operators at the nuclear stations and moved to more of the surrounding villages. the diversity of employment opportunities presented by the sector has helped the town - particularly so after the closure of Garretts.
Tony Langham
01:56:45
I may be out on amounts, but EDF could be the cornerstone investor in an education fund or a regional development fund, if it wanted to.
Michael Mahony
01:59:17
National Grid is one group which owns the various divisions. You have allowed current regulation to get in the way of investing for the long term.
Robert Phillips
02:00:38
I’m up for hosting a session on “better” regulation and joined-up thinking, if others would like to join :-)
Rebecca Barnett
02:01:19
I agree we need a much longer term view, which requires brave anticipatory investments (query how the risk of those should be placed). However, one of the big difficulties in investing for the long term, is forecasting perfectly what the long term needs.
Tom McGarry
02:01:20
I'd urge anyone interested to read the Environmental Statement in the Sizewell C Development Consent Order application to get the facts about coastal erosion and the Sizewell section of the Suffolk coast. I'll send the online reference to Robert after.
Robert Phillips
02:01:52
Happy to are any Further Reading. Let us know what you’ve got!
Robert Phillips
02:03:14
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Tom McGarry
02:04:19
Michael - OK - agree with you on ambition. Let's be ambitious and plan for a positive legacy IF it goes ahead.
Rodney Brook
02:05:18
Thank you for inviting me. All very relevant. It has been a privilege.
Graeme Cooper
02:05:53
happy to engage bilaterally
Rebecca Barnett
02:05:53
Thanks very much for inviting me, it’s been a really interesting discussion.
Chrysoula Zervoudakis
02:06:16
thank you for the conversation.
Pete Abson
02:07:00
Really good conversation. Well done to Robert and the team! Be good to keep it going
Nigel
02:07:48
If anyone wants to know more about the work I’m doing around Hydrogen East or local market innovation, give me a ring: 07900092524. Thanks for the stimulating discussion.