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Knowing Seeds, Knowing Ourselves with Betsy Samuelson, K Greene, Nate Kleinman, and Shani Mink at Cultivating Culture 2021 - Shared screen with speaker view
SJ (they/them)
10:19
conference@jewishfarmernetwork.org
Masha Vernik
10:41
so excited for this!!
trella : she/they : Phoenix Farm
11:00
me too Marsha! eeeee!
Rachel Maureen (she/her)
19:25
What does "feminized" mean?
Justin (he/him)
20:01
@rachel: I think the difference between hemp and marijuana?
Queer Jewish Farmers
20:11
Cannabis is dioecious (male & female plants). Female plants produce smokeable flowers, so feminizing seeds ensure you get high quality, seed free consumable product
tzomi (they/them)
20:22
YAAA
chelsea (she/her)🧄
20:38
yay omaha! 😘
chelsea (she/her)🧄
22:01
hi! yes I know Connor and the magnuson family
chelsea (she/her)🧄
22:12
I don't live there anymore but yes. very much!
chelsea (she/her)🧄
22:16
did you go to school in VT?
Sarah Elisheva (she/her)
23:44
I am also in the Philly area and wondering how to learn more about the Lenape
trella : she/they : Phoenix Farm
25:25
for @nate: can you share who/where in the USDA you requested indigenous seed?
Shani (she-her)
25:54
Efnseeds.com
Sophie
26:30
Is it this? https://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/heirloom-varieties @trella
Nate Kleinman (he/him)
27:23
www.ars-grin.gov
Nate Kleinman (he/him)
28:17
I recently did a talk at the Northeast Organic Seed Conference which I believe will be posted online, if it hasn’t been already, about the practicalities of requesting seed from the USDA’s National Plant Germplasm System (via the link above)
Em Kamm (she/they) Chicago
30:01
ppppsssshhhhhhhhh
trella : she/they : Phoenix Farm
30:23
@nate: www.ars-grin.gov says site can't be reached...
Nate Kleinman (he/him)
32:29
It’s working for me. Huh.
Rachel Maureen (she/her)
32:47
I got the same error message
Queer Jewish Farmers
33:02
Same.
chelsea (she/her)🧄
33:17
!!!
SJ (they) Jewish Farmer Network
33:19
We’re so grateful for you!
Sarah Chandler (she/her) | aka Kohenet Shamirah
33:40
I am already so inspired by this session. WOW.
Sarah Chandler (she/her) | aka Kohenet Shamirah
33:43
🤩
Nate Kleinman (he/him)
33:47
This is working for me: https://www.ars-grin.gov/ — but it could just be in the cache. It gets updated sometimes on Sundays. It should be back.
Yitzchak Glasman
34:31
Shalom Nate =)
Queer Jewish Farmers
34:34
That link worked!
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
34:34
this new link worked for me, but not the other one. thanks for sharing!
trella : she/they : Phoenix Farm
34:58
yes- working now- thank you!
shana
35:11
maybe metaphorical, like we kept the seeds from the temples and will plant them again in the messianic age
Justin (he/him)
36:40
I think globally that's been a role that Jewish immigrants have played, carrying other peoples' seeds, for centuries and centuries. we bring foods from places we're coming from to places we're going to, and have shaped global cuisine in the process. My favorite example, we brought the chickpea out of Africa and into Europe.
SJ (they) Jewish Farmer Network
39:03
https://www.facebook.com/palestineheirloomseeds/
Sarah Elisheva (she/her)
39:06
I wonder how to find seeds from ancestral places...
SJ (they) Jewish Farmer Network
39:23
https://viviensansour.com/Palestine-Heirloom
Lisa Rose (she/hers)
39:28
That is so powerful Nate! The seed/human DNA connection…
Yitzchak Glasman
41:25
really good question K! seeds belongs to nature and to the Creator, we should share spread and grow, honoring the history
shana
42:12
yeah there's no pure "this is where this came from," but also, when colonizers start using indigenous seeds without getting to know them and pay the people back, it gets messy
SJ (they) Jewish Farmer Network
43:10
**Reminder to add your questions into the chat as they bubble up for you! We will be collecting them for later in the session.**
Sarah Elisheva (she/her)
44:01
I wanna learn more about the tradition of seed-keeping as a jew you just mentioned!
Yitzchak Glasman
44:03
na’ama seed keeper for Noah arch
Justin (he/him)
45:22
please don't stop :D
Ahava (we/us)
45:22
soooo beautiful
Sarah
45:26
Makes me think about the klipah
Em Kamm (she/they) Chicago
45:35
ein sof
Sara Moon
45:39
this is gorgeous, thank you
TECH Sonia Brin (they/them)
45:46
blown away by that teaching
shana
46:02
y'all should follow K on Instagram @nonbinarybotany
Rebecca Remis
46:26
yassss
Masha Vernik (she/her)
46:28
yess!!!!!
Em Kamm (she/they) Chicago
46:29
amazing teaching, seeds as shards of concentrated light
Lila Rimalovski
46:33
yes yes yes!!
SJ (they) Jewish Farmer Network
50:05
I have chills. Yes Betsy!
Sarah Chandler (she/her) | aka Kohenet Shamirah
51:15
I keep thinking one of you is my favorite panelist and then I’m falling in love with each of you over and over. 😍🤩
Rebecca Remis (she/her)
51:27
+1
Aderet Fay
51:29
^^^
Sarah Elisheva (she/her)
51:33
do you grow all the seeds that you sell?
Jennifer Grayson (she/her)
55:34
Amazing! How do you spell the name of that barley?
Nate Kleinman (he/him)
56:02
Nebawi
Jennifer Grayson (she/her)
56:12
Thank you!
Alan Cohen
56:44
Does anyone have seeds collected by the Ahronsohn familynin Atlit?
Sarah Elisheva (she/her)
58:13
what about growing seeds is different from growing food plants? is it basically the same except harvesting is a little different?
Alex Lyon (she/her)
58:44
In my very small seed saving practice, I have started trying to grow & save seeds of ritual or cultural foods. So, poppy seed, horseradish, all the ingredients for "kosher-style" fermented dill pickles. And all kinds of karpas :-) Curious if anyone is working with this approach.
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
59:28
do you have any seeds special to you in your personal family history? any specific seeds lost that you grieve for? Today reminded me of a specific apple tree in my family’s history that I now want to run off to Connecticut to collect seeds and cuttings to graft!
Elena (she/her) Toronto
59:33
@Alex I grow my own horseradish specifically for the seder :) but I’ve never used seeds! it just grows from the root
Alex Lyon (she/her)
01:00:09
same
Leroy Petunia (they/them)
01:00:14
YESSSSSSS
Leroy Petunia (they/them)
01:00:25
Thank you for naming this, K
Lisa Rose (she/hers)
01:01:44
Yessss… knowing seeds, knowing yourself
glad (they/them) chi
01:01:46
++++
Leroy Petunia (they/them)
01:01:49
<3
scott
01:02:12
yesssss
Lexi (she/they)
01:06:32
Betsy, appreciate your story, thank you
Rebecca Remis (she/her)
01:07:13
Thank you betsy!
glad (they/them) chi
01:08:15
++++so important++++
Ari (he/him) and Izzy (they/them)
01:09:06
Beautifully put
Sara Moon
01:11:36
yesssssss
shana
01:12:03
cuz its so hard to get the tools to talk about it diffierently :( schools don't teach it
Lexi (she/they)
01:12:14
love this, i am excited for my unlearning!
Justin (he/him)
01:12:14
seed solidarity! yes!!!
Shoshana (she/they) & Jack (he/they)
01:12:42
Amen! Nature is queer as hell
Samson (he/him)
01:12:42
Woah
Marisa Weinstock
01:12:54
Thank you for that K
Elliot Moonstone (they/them)
01:12:59
🌈🌱
Samson (he/him)
01:12:59
Thanks so much for that K
Doe they/them
01:13:00
*cheers in non-binary*
Masha Vernik (she/her)
01:13:06
To all the panelists - I'd love to hear more about any seeds you feel especially connected with!
Sarah
01:13:19
^^ on what Shana said if anyone has good tools for teaching about being in relationship with seeds and etc would love those links :)
Isaac J. Zerkle
01:13:36
Does the government seed collection provide seeds to home gardeners or only larger farm/seed projects?
Elliot Moonstone (they/them)
01:14:54
🧄
shana
01:15:18
and everyone sees us as weeds
Nate Kleinman (he/him)
01:15:20
You’re more likely to get seeds from the gov’t if you’re attached to an organization (pretty much regardless of the size or scope of the organization). Seeds are only distributed for research, education, breeding, or rematriation. So if you describe your intended use of the seed and it encompasses any of that, they should give it to you. You might get some pushback, but just respond with a more detailed description of your intended use of the seeds.
Sara Moon
01:15:35
but we're MEDICINE!
Sarah Chandler (she/her) | aka Kohenet Shamirah
01:15:41
I was JUST going to ask what relationship do you have with seeds of plants sometimes called “weeds”
Leroy Petunia (they/them)
01:16:14
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEsSsdClbNV/ sharing this resource from the indigenous Sovereign Seed Network (for those who use instagram) regarding the ethical questions around growing, saving, and/or repatriating indigenous seeds
Elena (she/her) Toronto
01:16:25
I love that with garlic, the part that we treasure and eat is also the seed :)
Em Kamm (she/they) Chicago
01:17:01
it only takes one!
Lisa Rose (she/hers)
01:17:13
^^ <3
Alex Lyon (she/her)
01:17:29
so does that mean our horseradish cuttings are identitical to what our pickling great great grandparetns used???
jesseskchaffer
01:17:37
Same, love growing horseradish
scott
01:17:42
yum horesradish
chelsea (she/her)🧄
01:18:03
Sesame!
Nate Kleinman (he/him)
01:18:06
@AlexLyon Probably! Pretty close anyway. There are a few strains out there.
Shani (she-her)
01:18:08
Big Same
Sara Moon
01:18:16
yes
Sam Panken
01:18:41
question - should all seeds be kept? this is coming from a person whose job required the saving of a particular Shaker tomato variety that’s almost inedibly disgusting - yet we put in the work every year to save the seed. what seeds should we prioritize saving?
Ari (he/him) and Izzy (they/them)
01:19:04
When y’all are doing the research about a particular seed to understand its “seed story”, how do you synthesize information in a way that honors the complexity of that seed’s journey? So many seeds have difficult to trace origins and pass through many cultures/places
Masha Vernik (she/her)
01:19:29
How do you listen to plants?
Betsy Samuelson (she/her)
01:19:48
@Sam start with what you enjoy eating. :)
Elena (she/her) Toronto
01:22:32
sounds like a Talmudic debate ;)
shana
01:22:43
I imagine there's a whole industry of coming up with glorified stories about seeds' supposed origins to put on marketing
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:22:43
Story is damn good medicine
Shoshana (she/they) & Jack (he/they)
01:22:54
^ YES <3
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:24:04
will the schmoozes be recorded?? having a hard time deciding whether to go to the disability one or the seed one
TECH Sonia Brin (they/them)
01:24:15
Link to sign up for the seed story share: https://forms.gle/5mSSgEqmJ2ANAKK49
Shoshana (she/they) & Jack (he/they)
01:24:43
It says we need permission Sonia
shana
01:24:44
that link doesn't work
shana
01:25:00
i think you mean tthis? https://www.jewishfarmernetwork.org/day-two-schedule-links
Shani (she-her)
01:25:18
https://forms.gle/S2812GFCMeBuSRom7
Shoshana (she/they) & Jack (he/they)
01:25:33
Same problem Shani, says we need permission
TECH Sonia Brin (they/them)
01:25:35
working on getting the link to work!
Shoshana (she/they) & Jack (he/they)
01:25:43
Thanks!
Rachel Maureen
01:25:50
Or just
SJ (they) Jewish Farmer Network
01:26:11
Seed Share Form: https://forms.gle/g53MmokEXmTdmjww9
SJ (they) Jewish Farmer Network
01:26:40
Does the new link work for folks?
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:26:40
umm please where can we get the whole entire squash story?!?
Rachel Maureen
01:26:48
Or just, a line of "traditionally grown" by native americans
Nate Kleinman (he/him)
01:26:58
https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/collections/corn/products/oaxacan-green-dent-corn
Ari (he/him) and Izzy (they/them)
01:27:58
thanks for some great answers to my very long winded question :)
Shani (she-her)
01:28:12
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfzwcaIkaUTTQ0rXUWW-cMRHznLKlrm03ukbRex_GDpic9WbA/viewform?usp=sf_link
Emilia (she/her/hers)
01:28:35
will the schmoozes be recorded? really want to attend but have other obligations!
Sara Moon
01:28:39
Thank you all so much, this has been wonderful, must leave now, it's bedtime in England! xx
Shoshana (she/they) & Jack (he/they)
01:29:13
Beans!
Em Kamm (she/they) Chicago
01:29:15
caraway!
Em Kamm (she/they) Chicago
01:29:19
dill!
joellebueno
01:29:27
Where can we find recordings?
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:29:32
I’m also starting to realize that it is a kind of sickness in my family to hide our family’s stories out of grief or shame. Trying to have compassion for that dynamic.
Emilia (she/her/hers)
01:29:33
thank you SO much. this was incredible.
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:29:36
thank youuuu!!!
Justin (he/him)
01:29:36
Thanks to all of you! You'
Justin (he/him)
01:29:39
You
joellebueno
01:29:42
thank you!
zacharygoldberg
01:29:49
Thanks K, Nate, and Betsy
jess (she/her)
01:29:58
thanks,all!!
Shoshana (she/they) & Jack (he/they)
01:39:49
Stern you're looking glamorous!
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:39:59
did we ever find out if the schmooze is recorded?
Stern (he/him)
01:40:06
ty my oma’s blanket!!
TECH Sonia Brin (they/them)
01:40:19
the seed share will be recorded, but the other two schmoozes will not!
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:40:28
okay thank you
jess (she/her)
01:40:35
hugs to all!
Shani (she-her)
01:42:02
https://www.jewishfarmernetwork.org/day-two-schedule-links