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BurgessVicky
01:08:01
is there a list available of employers who pay the living wage?
Dan Howard LWF
01:08:58
You can see the list here Vicky https://www.livingwage.org.uk/accredited-living-wage-employers
Graham Whitham
01:09:05
Thanks Dan.
BurgessVicky
01:09:17
brilliant. Thanks
Simon Watts
01:09:21
I'd be interested to know how many NHS living wage employers there are in the GM area - real opportunity there since the NHS historic deficits have been wiped out
Graham Whitham
01:10:14
Great to hear from Amy - it would be brilliant to see Bolton becoming a living wage town.
John Hacking
01:10:22
Chris Dabbs is on the call and he has a lot of knowledge in this area. Chris?
John Hacking
01:10:59
Re: Simons question about NHS LW Employers
Amanda Ward
01:11:00
sorry I have to leave now. will you please send the video out. thanks
Edmund Heery
01:11:09
Hi, I'm a researcher working with LWF and we maintain a UK-wide database of LW employers, including information by industry, locality etc. We are happy to provide data to the campaign if this would be useful, Ed Heery
John Hacking
01:11:15
Yes. Thanks Amanda
Rush Steph
01:11:51
Thanks Amy that was great to hear coming from an SME and agree totally with the benefits that need to be pushed more than ever especially in terms of recovery.
John Hacking
01:11:53
Ed. That would be wonderful. Thanks. email to me at john@gmpovertyaction.org
Edmund Heery
01:12:03
Will do
Graham Whitham
01:12:16
Good point Simon, potential for progress in the health service given the debt issue has been addressed.
Graham Whitham
01:13:39
Completely agree Jenny.
Rush Steph
01:13:41
Need to make sure all commissioned health and social care organisations are working towards prin in the Charter especially Living Wage, we are pushing this agenda locally
Anissa Kheratkar
01:13:56
sorry have another meeting, please can you send the video john
John Hacking
01:14:00
We will send out details about the campaign Jenny just mentioned.
John Hacking
01:14:20
Yes. Thanks Anissa
Chris Dabbs
01:16:50
Simon - accredited Living Wage employers in the NHS in GM - GM Mental Health NHS FT, Salford CCG, Salford Primary Care Together. Also a few GP practices in Salford. The Northern Care Alliance NHS Group has publicly expressed an interest in working towards becoming a real Living Wage employer.
Simon Watts
01:19:08
Thanks Chris
Chris Dabbs
01:19:58
A few social care providers are accredited Living Wage employers, including: Aspire; Gaddum Centre; Home Instead Senior Care (Salford and Worsley).
John Hacking
01:21:46
Any questions to the panel?
Graham Whitham
01:23:38
Thank you Jenny, Amy and Dan.
Rush Steph
01:24:15
Thanks for list of care providers unfortunately we still have a lot in the borough that aren't.
BurgessVicky
01:24:24
how are living wage employers advertised? As a newby to this environment it's something that's been at the back of my mind but I feel a lack of awareness.
Chris Dabbs
01:24:32
Potential for other GM boroughs to join Salford in being formally recognised through the Living Wage Places scheme. https://www.salfordsocialvalue.org.uk/living-wage/
Emma
01:25:43
I wondered if we are seeing any increase in employers following Real Living Wage or becoming accredited where they have had an increase in profits due to covid i.e. supermarkets or PPE manufacturers?
Edmund Heery
01:25:48
Vicky, all accredited employers are listed on the Living Wage Foundation web site, with break downs by region, industry and sector
Peter Urwin
01:26:07
How can we ensure that the covid 'shock' does not lead to another round of austerity? How do we keep good employment on the agenda with rising unemployment?
Simon Watts
01:26:21
Has the Salford work included procuring from living wage employers? NHS/LAs have huge procurement power
Donald Moore
01:26:22
Organisations will be defined by how they behaved during the pandemic. There is a real opportunity for those paying LW and being good employers to stand out even more. For us the fat cats took big cuts to protect the lower paid and allowed us to pay near full pay during furlough. Happy people lead to happy customers and any organisation looking for a longer term future should be paying LW and more! Its an opportunity!!!
Amy Rothwell
01:27:50
I am really hoping it is true that organisations will be defined by how they behaved during the pandemic... but I think Wetherspoons raked it in this weekend!!
Chris Dabbs
01:27:53
Simon - Salford has explored including the real Living Wage in procurement. Some legal issues due to EU legal cases, although one or two councils in London have gone ahead any way and not experienced any problems.
Nixon
01:29:53
Q re Apprenticeships - the NMW for apprentices is so far below the LW, how do we campaign for apprentices?
Chris Dabbs
01:30:02
Need strong business case for the real Living Wage to get beyond those employers who are most amenable. Case from a business perspective from the GM Chamber of Commerce at https://www.gmchamber.co.uk/media/28641/gmcc-the-living-wage-stating-the-case.pdf
Graham Whitham
01:31:06
Thanks Chris.
Edmund Heery
01:31:13
The Scottish Government has been very proactive with regard to public procurement and the LW and there is a legal obligation on the part of all Scottish public sector bodies to consider the LW when awarding contracts. There is a Scottish (and Welsh) government guide on including the LW in procurement. More recently Scotland has launched a Fair Work First initiative to try and ensure that all funding to business is dependent on paying the LW
Chris Dabbs
01:35:39
The two guides on incorporating the real Living Wage into procurement:• Scotland – https://www.gov.scot/policies/public-sector-procurement/fair-work-in-procurement/• Wales – https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2019-09/code-of-practice-guide-to-implementing-the-living-wage-through-procurement.pdf
John Hacking
01:35:53
Questions for Andy?
Dan Howard LWF
01:38:38
Thoughts on Greater Manchester becoming the first Living Wage region in the UK?
Amy Rothwell
01:38:56
Is it a possibility that if the official living wage rises... so does the cost of everything, in a never-ending upward spiral of inflation?
Peter Urwin
01:40:13
Through incorporating the Employment Charter in public procurement and commissioning, can we hold employers to strong requirements and ensure that no public money goes toward poverty wages or insecure jobs?
Chris Dabbs
01:40:20
Results of Finland's basic income experiment: small employment effects, better perceived economic security and mental wellbeing. https://www.kela.fi/web/en/news-archive/-/asset_publisher/lN08GY2nIrZo/content/results-of-the-basic-income-experiment-small-employment-effects-better-perceived-economic-security-and-mental-wellbeing
Edmund Heery
01:45:33
How would you envisage UBI being integrated with the Real Living Wage; are they alternatives or complements?
Stef Benstead
01:46:57
For Andy - has he heard of the Job Guarantee, and is he interested in looking at how Manchester might be able to implement something like that (Job Guarantee is an alternative to unemployment benefits - pay a living wage for up to 35 hours/week on decent jobs that benefit the community; instead of paying JSA/UC and asking people to search for non-existent or toxic jobs for effectively less than the minimum wage)
Amy Rothwell
01:47:27
I have a comment on that
Paul Keeble
01:50:34
Analysis by@HighPayCentreof 107 of Britain’s 350 biggest public companies found they could increase pay of bottom quartile of their workers by average of £2K each by reducing pay of those at the top by 3%. FTSE 100 average CEO/lower quartile employee ratio = 109:1
Donald Moore
01:52:04
Andy is right - pay inequality is unfair! The fat cats should take less
John Hacking
01:55:31
I've got 2 qs for Andy and then I'll wrap up. Thanks everyone.
Nixon
01:55:53
yep, we have to spell it out to some employers, help them with the maths! if a worker is on the NMW £8.72/hr then its approx. 50p per hour per worker to put everyone on LW. So approx. £1k per year per worker. so we have to get the employer to work out that they will save and/or gain the equivalent......
Paul Keeble
01:56:01
Valued, yes. But not just clapping and badges!
Chris Dabbs
01:56:23
Barcelona approach - bring together charities, social enterprises, co-ops, mission-led businesses, SMEs area by area (overlooking usual sector boundaries). Don't focus on the extractive businesses or obsess with the city centre.