John Hacking's Personal Meeting Room - Shared screen with speaker view
is there a list available of employers who pay the living wage?
Dan Howard LWF
You can see the list here Vicky https://www.livingwage.org.uk/accredited-living-wage-employers
I'd be interested to know how many NHS living wage employers there are in the GM area - real opportunity there since the NHS historic deficits have been wiped out
Great to hear from Amy - it would be brilliant to see Bolton becoming a living wage town.
Chris Dabbs is on the call and he has a lot of knowledge in this area. Chris?
Re: Simons question about NHS LW Employers
sorry I have to leave now. will you please send the video out. thanks
Hi, I'm a researcher working with LWF and we maintain a UK-wide database of LW employers, including information by industry, locality etc. We are happy to provide data to the campaign if this would be useful, Ed Heery
Yes. Thanks Amanda
Thanks Amy that was great to hear coming from an SME and agree totally with the benefits that need to be pushed more than ever especially in terms of recovery.
Ed. That would be wonderful. Thanks. email to me at firstname.lastname@example.org
Good point Simon, potential for progress in the health service given the debt issue has been addressed.
Completely agree Jenny.
Need to make sure all commissioned health and social care organisations are working towards prin in the Charter especially Living Wage, we are pushing this agenda locally
sorry have another meeting, please can you send the video john
We will send out details about the campaign Jenny just mentioned.
Yes. Thanks Anissa
Simon - accredited Living Wage employers in the NHS in GM - GM Mental Health NHS FT, Salford CCG, Salford Primary Care Together. Also a few GP practices in Salford. The Northern Care Alliance NHS Group has publicly expressed an interest in working towards becoming a real Living Wage employer.
A few social care providers are accredited Living Wage employers, including: Aspire; Gaddum Centre; Home Instead Senior Care (Salford and Worsley).
Any questions to the panel?
Thank you Jenny, Amy and Dan.
Thanks for list of care providers unfortunately we still have a lot in the borough that aren't.
how are living wage employers advertised? As a newby to this environment it's something that's been at the back of my mind but I feel a lack of awareness.
Potential for other GM boroughs to join Salford in being formally recognised through the Living Wage Places scheme. https://www.salfordsocialvalue.org.uk/living-wage/
I wondered if we are seeing any increase in employers following Real Living Wage or becoming accredited where they have had an increase in profits due to covid i.e. supermarkets or PPE manufacturers?
Vicky, all accredited employers are listed on the Living Wage Foundation web site, with break downs by region, industry and sector
How can we ensure that the covid 'shock' does not lead to another round of austerity? How do we keep good employment on the agenda with rising unemployment?
Has the Salford work included procuring from living wage employers? NHS/LAs have huge procurement power
Organisations will be defined by how they behaved during the pandemic. There is a real opportunity for those paying LW and being good employers to stand out even more. For us the fat cats took big cuts to protect the lower paid and allowed us to pay near full pay during furlough. Happy people lead to happy customers and any organisation looking for a longer term future should be paying LW and more! Its an opportunity!!!
I am really hoping it is true that organisations will be defined by how they behaved during the pandemic... but I think Wetherspoons raked it in this weekend!!
Simon - Salford has explored including the real Living Wage in procurement. Some legal issues due to EU legal cases, although one or two councils in London have gone ahead any way and not experienced any problems.
Q re Apprenticeships - the NMW for apprentices is so far below the LW, how do we campaign for apprentices?
Need strong business case for the real Living Wage to get beyond those employers who are most amenable. Case from a business perspective from the GM Chamber of Commerce at https://www.gmchamber.co.uk/media/28641/gmcc-the-living-wage-stating-the-case.pdf
The Scottish Government has been very proactive with regard to public procurement and the LW and there is a legal obligation on the part of all Scottish public sector bodies to consider the LW when awarding contracts. There is a Scottish (and Welsh) government guide on including the LW in procurement. More recently Scotland has launched a Fair Work First initiative to try and ensure that all funding to business is dependent on paying the LW
The two guides on incorporating the real Living Wage into procurement:• Scotland – https://www.gov.scot/policies/public-sector-procurement/fair-work-in-procurement/• Wales – https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2019-09/code-of-practice-guide-to-implementing-the-living-wage-through-procurement.pdf
Questions for Andy?
Dan Howard LWF
Thoughts on Greater Manchester becoming the first Living Wage region in the UK?
Is it a possibility that if the official living wage rises... so does the cost of everything, in a never-ending upward spiral of inflation?
Through incorporating the Employment Charter in public procurement and commissioning, can we hold employers to strong requirements and ensure that no public money goes toward poverty wages or insecure jobs?
Results of Finland's basic income experiment: small employment effects, better perceived economic security and mental wellbeing. https://www.kela.fi/web/en/news-archive/-/asset_publisher/lN08GY2nIrZo/content/results-of-the-basic-income-experiment-small-employment-effects-better-perceived-economic-security-and-mental-wellbeing
How would you envisage UBI being integrated with the Real Living Wage; are they alternatives or complements?
For Andy - has he heard of the Job Guarantee, and is he interested in looking at how Manchester might be able to implement something like that (Job Guarantee is an alternative to unemployment benefits - pay a living wage for up to 35 hours/week on decent jobs that benefit the community; instead of paying JSA/UC and asking people to search for non-existent or toxic jobs for effectively less than the minimum wage)
I have a comment on that
Analysis by@HighPayCentreof 107 of Britain’s 350 biggest public companies found they could increase pay of bottom quartile of their workers by average of £2K each by reducing pay of those at the top by 3%. FTSE 100 average CEO/lower quartile employee ratio = 109:1
Andy is right - pay inequality is unfair! The fat cats should take less
I've got 2 qs for Andy and then I'll wrap up. Thanks everyone.
yep, we have to spell it out to some employers, help them with the maths! if a worker is on the NMW £8.72/hr then its approx. 50p per hour per worker to put everyone on LW. So approx. £1k per year per worker. so we have to get the employer to work out that they will save and/or gain the equivalent......
Valued, yes. But not just clapping and badges!
Barcelona approach - bring together charities, social enterprises, co-ops, mission-led businesses, SMEs area by area (overlooking usual sector boundaries). Don't focus on the extractive businesses or obsess with the city centre.