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hi from Canada...also Quebec
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Matilde, are you a native speaker?
Our program does offer a lot of help and support for writing and understanding those items. You can learn alongside your kids.
The products are designed to help parents understand, not just the children.
Our online classes may be helpful to non-native speakers as well.
Our children's ability to think and talk has progressed beyond their ability to apply handwriting, mechanics, and spelling to the page.
So they can either dumb down their ideas to match their writing ability, or they can ignore the mechanics and get their sophisticated thoughts on the page.
Julie, is there a place in Brave Learner Home to connect with parents local to our area? It’s encouraging to see that here.
At first, kids will either choose to write accurately (but with less sophisticated language) or they will write what they think but it may be filled with inaccuracies in mechanics.
Both of my kids are anxious about writing. They have anxiety. They refuse to really try to write anything because they care about spelling and all that. They have never just tried, even when they were little. They both have learning disabilities. I'm always thrilled when they write anything.
Jennifer, we hope to see that happen, yes!
How much of this philosophy should I explain to my kids? That their sophisticated thoughts are challenging to put down that way on paper.
Allison, it’s great to support their attempts! Good for you.
Great question Nicole!
Nicole, telling them is great! You can even begin by jotting down their thoughts for them! Let them see their amazing vocabulary on the page.
You don't have to explain the philosophy to your children. You can show them by engaging with their ideas and ignoring the mechanical mistakes.
Dawn, you are still my homeschool role model.❤️
You can also take the pen and jot down their ideas yourself letting them know you want to help get their valued thoughts down on paper.
When you have perfectionist, it can help to create a list of words she might need during writing and spell them out in a highly visible key ahead of time.
Suzanne, that may be that she has internalized the idea that accuracy is the way to be heard. You might try having her write without you seeing the writing (let her read it to you without you looking at it). See if that helps.
The facts they know
Thank you, Craig! It's such a fun class!
This transcription- it is still good for teens, or does it "embarrass" them when you share what they said earlier
We’ve heard that teens often feel validated when they see you write down what they say.
I struggle with the grammar aspect
Sometimes I can't "Jot" fast enough to catch my (extremely writing-resistant) son's creative ideas. I've found that he loves to record himself on my phone...then I transcribe it for him, and have him copy a small bit on his own later. Sometimes he's ok with the copying, and sometimes not so much....but he always has the opportunity to get his thoughts out...and we celebrate his stories <3
Lena, it can be helpful to her! She could even use the recording to type it up (or at least a portion of it).
What about kids who are lazy to think more broadly? Not so much as anxious about the mechanics, but resistant to applying the mind, seeing 'Writing' as a drag that's just going to take time out of their day and keep them from getting to 'play'?
Yes! It's a great idea to help her record these ideas.
Is it a "no no" to include something in copywork that is an intentional yet "incorrect" usage of punctuation?
my daughters have all these ideas but cant put it on paper
Becky, start with the Jot It Down process. Then you will move to freewriting and it is a practice you will do with your child. We teach it in the bravewriter.com/blitz and in our classes/products.
All kids have lots to say. Catch them in the act of self-expression and jot it down for them. Then share it later with the family at dinner. Let the wrier HEAR her words shared with an interested audience.
Becky, you might take the writing out completely for a while and focus on the value of the big, juicy conversations. Your child might come to see those deep conversations as rewarding the "threat" of having to write it down is removed for a while.
Erin, good advice!
Is Jot It down a full writing curriculum?
Amanda Murray, I love that idea. Mimics what reporters would do today in an interview. Both record and take notes
Dani...I would include "intentional yet incorrect" punctuation or grammar in copywork...and have them find the errors ;)...then the two of you could talk about how it could be corrected
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When in doubt, I would start with Jot It Down. All the projects can be done with significantly older children when you adjust the content to their interest level.
Does Dawn have each page in a page protector? Use tabs? Please show us inside the binder.
I believe she has is printed with tab dividers
The Writer’s Jungle is for families with kids who already read and handwrite a little.
We are on year 3 of jot it down..and starting the dart for my son this year. 6 and 8 year olds. My daughter is working on her bird book. I hope to get through it this year.
Help for High School:
Whilst doing the keen observation task, is it best to leave the writing as a raw piece, or do a second draft?
The Partnership Writing Bundle includes the The Writer's Jungle.
we did the fairy tale jot it down projects with a range from 6-14 yr old boys and they loved it! so much created and learned. so yes I second jot it down can really be done with any age.
Janice, that’s up to you and your kids. You can leave it or turn it into a paragraph!
Leave the Keen Observation as it is, unless you later choose to take it through the revision process.
Is Jot it Down included as of the Dart program as well?
I have 3 kids I’ll be teaching (for the first time): 3rd, 6th, and 9th grade. Should I have the curriculum overlap or do the three separate programs?
I hope so too Jacqueline!
No, moreah.. seperate
Tami, try to pick one bundle and use it with the younger two. Then for the 9th grader, try Help for High School and Boomerang and take a look at our online classes.
Moreah I believe you can get those in a bundle?
For the youngers, I’d say Partnership Writing Bundle
My older kids have been enrolled in public school, going into grade 6, 4 and 2. Could one of the guides be adopted for all those levels?
Okay, thanks, Julie!
Here are all the bundles!
Marisa, yes. Revise and edit one freewrite in 8.
Writer’s Jungle is PERFECT for a family with 11-12 year olds!
The Arrow is great for those age groups, Jen.
Engage them — yes please!!
WE are highly flexible. Skip around!
My plan is to use Dart with my gifted 6yo (1st grade who reads at a 3rd grade plus level) and Arrow with my gifted 4th/5th graders (who read at 11/12th grade levels). What do you think about that Julie? Because their reading input is so high...but their writing output is only slightly above average. New homeschooler, so teachers couldn't really push my kids to write more strongly in a classroom setting.
I meant revise one freewrite out of 8 freewrites.
Kathleen, you can pick and choose books. Choose the ones that interest you most.
I have purchased Dart for my almost 8 year old. We are brand new to Brave Writer…Perhaps I should have purchased Jot it Down instead??
The Dart and Jot it Down work together.
Jot it Down is the original writing portion (creative writing). Dart is for mechanics and reading.
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Is it NECESSARY to have or to have read Writer's Jungle to purchase project products...such as jot it down?
I have a second and fourth grader. Which would you recommend for them Julie?
Joy, yes, Wand can still work beautifully with Jot It Down.
Shannon, you can start with the projects and literature
We don't recommend getting into The Writer's Jungle until you child is at least 8 years old.
So there are sample routines in The Arrows?
Can I switch to the Jot it Down program?
We have planner pages in both the literature programs and the writing projects.
Jot it Down and the Dart work hand-in-hand. The Dart teaches mechanics and literature, and Jot It Down develops original writing.
can you put the “ages” for each again? Partnership vs Faltering?
I already purchased Partnership for my 10 yr old. Should I start with Jot it Down if she is very creative but has very little writing training?
I wish I had purchased the bundle a few years back. I was only thinking we were going to homeschool through 3rd grade. Now we
Are you suppose to read the writers jungle each chapter with your child? Or read it separate?
If you have multiple age groups but love the group learning, Julie once advised me to do alternate months. So one month arrow, the next boomerang.and the same with the writing projects. This has worked so well with my family that I don’t do it any other way! :)
which programs come with the planner pages?
Are planning to go all the way..
is partnership writing meant to do just for 1 year and then move on to faltering ownership? or repeat for a few years if they aren't quire ready for faltering ownership?
The Writer's Jungle is written to you, the parent.
I know Julie has addressed this in the past, but I need to refresh, how to tackle programs such as Jot it down and faltering ownership when you have stufents who span 3-4 products? My children are are 13 to 1, 5 children.
The Dart and the Arrow are both great to guide read alouds.
Liz we alternate as well and works out perfectly for us.
Yes to flipping back and forth. I often recommend if you buy two levels, alternate months and projects.
You can absolutely mix and match programs. When you are teaching multiple children, you can alternate months to make it manageable to work with your different age groupings.
I bought Jot It Down a few years ago...
But...I don't believe I ever purchased Writer's Jungle
Allison, good question I have as well: I already purchased Partnership for my 10 yr old. Should I start with Jot it Down if she is very creative but has very little writing training?
I have 15 kids ages 6 - 12 what programs do you suggest I use, I love the concept but am confused with all the bundles and programs. Thanks!
Try what you own and if you see the need to add, then purchase. Give yourself a chance to explore the investment you’ve already made. :)
Thank you @Sharon
Go here and watch these videos to help you make good purchase decisions:
Shannon not sure if you could do WJ as an on-line class but it taught me so much that translated to helping all of my kids.
hello, could I flip back and forth between Dart and Arrow for my 10 year old who is resistant to reading but loves to write stories?
Do I need to add something to my cart to access the Home program?
My daughter- 14- is just starting off on her BW journey and NOT a fan of any writing. I plan to start her out at the JID level and see how that goes- should I be cautious or mindful of how long I stay at that level before moving on to Partnership with her? I want her to really "Get" the value of her voice/ideas, but also not go backwards on her writing some things down. How long should I generally expect to stay at that level?
You can use Jot It Down with any age. Your older children may want to take more ownership of the project, and that is great!
I would start with Partnership with a 14 year old.
Is the Writers Jungle online the same as the one in print?
The online class is drawn from the Writer’s Jungle, yes.
The Writer's Jungle Online is a class with a coach who will guide you through The Writer's Jungle and provide feedback to you and on your child's writing.
Picture books have been a great way to introduce racial injustice and diversity learning.
Dani, how does your 14 year old feel about talk to text? Is it just moving the pencil/typing that she dislikes?
(Random thought: Any thoughts about taking the age range off of the materials? My child with the gift of dyslexia gets discouraged seeing things assigned for ages younger than him.)
So, if we are doing the online class now, during summer. Would the print version be beneficial or a duplicate?
ideas for when to introduce typing?
We have taken them off of the projects covers now, I believe. We use Stages rather than ages.
Since I've "allowed" my 9 years old to go back to reading picture books, she is reading way more and with joy.
Jennifer you can skip the Writer’s Jungle if you are in the class. Purchase a Writing Projects product.
If you're taking the class, I encourage you to print out the resources to save for later.
Any talk to text work better than others? My teen has issues that it doesn't catch all their words clearly, let alone punctuation.
(Thanks, Julie. Looking at JID online and one shot shows it on the cover. Probably an old photo.)
how do you turn around their ‘hate” of writing and that they aren’t good at writing?? they do struggle with original thought writing, but love to read. They used the same tools in school (dictation, copy work) but were also given the 5 sentences minimum paragraphs and essay outlines with questions to answer for their “original” writing that were a bit unintuitive. It’s a bit of unschooling that needs to happen, but how?
for typing --> BBC dance mat typing is free and a good start all online
what poetry book? I missed it
That’s likely. I know for sure that Faltering has Stage 3 on it for that reason. I will check with Dawn to see if we made the change on the other two.
I second the removal of age, dyslexic parent here too and it can be discouraging if they see it (i hide it if I can)
how to choose poetry book? i have no idea where to start but would love to
Yes to Faltering working for high school students (especially 9th-q0th)
we ♥️poetry tea time website!!
Michael Rosen has brilliant videos on YouTube of performing poetry my children have copied, and brought to poetry tea time :)
“ Book of nature poetry”is wonderful
For kids that are already resistant, open up a conversation. Explore with them and let them in on the fact that you are on their side and working to make writing a better experience for them. Bring them into the decision making process regarding how much and when and where to do these activities.
I agree on the age front. My son has Down Syndrome, so a little different than for those with dyslexia, but it’s still better without.
h t : how do they "already" write? do they text their friends or write emails? do they make lists to keep track of things? See how they naturally write and figure out ways to explore that into more formal writing. Just an idea that has worked for me in the past with my older kiddos.
AHH I had not realized there was an whole website for tea time. Thanks!
any suggestions on a great book of collection of the “around the world”
we are in writer’s jungle on line class .what products we can purchase to support this program? for my 9 year old?
Nicole check out Jaime C Martin’s give your child the world
When trying to decide which products to buy, you can start with a sample of each of them: http://go.bravewriter.com/brave-writer-sampler
Are the books on your book lists living books?
We let Dog Man into the house and it was the catalyst for my son learning to read…I don’t regret it but I still can’t stand it…now he’s reading everything
@jayne hatcher- they don’t “already write” yet” with tech or otherwise…it’s all been at school, (oops) However, you made me think - and maybe a pen pal would be a good start -thank you!
We deliberately pick a wide mix for our titles. We mix classics with the newest award winners. We have diverse authors, diverse protagonists, and diverse genres.
Same, Mary...Dog Man makes me nuts, but opened my son's willingness to read books.
my kids love a pen pal. Got them writing instantly!
For “read alouds” do the kids take turns reading outloud or is the intention for them to sit back and listen?
h t, yes that would be a great idea!
Amanda, they sit back and listen.
Exactly, Andrea. Same
Adventures of Tintin books was the catalyst for my struggling reader!
What about constantly choosing to read the same two series?
My younger son loves graphic novels. It got him into reading.
my 6 year old now often takes the book away from me during read aloud and likes to read it out loud to me -
Kimberly, my son did that with a graphic novel series too. He was on it from ages 9-11. Thankfully he has now moved on and is reading a wide variety (he's thirteen)
What were the 5 things again?
Yes, same Zainab
Does JID guide include how to adjust for older children?
for read alouds - any suggestions on helping an older child with phonics or how to sound out (or another method) to help with harder words. (one child has figured it out and one hasn’t…)
Can Jot it Down work for a 7 year old?
for free write, we have been slowly increasing the timer from 2 to 5 minutes as they seem comfortable, do i just keep doing that or is there a max time?
Marisa, there’s no required time. We built up to 20 minutes for fun once and it was awesome!
For required freewrites, we recommend capping at 10 minutes for younger kids, but you can go longer with older kids.
if a child doesn’t like to write freely, perhaps JIT is the better place to start? Is there a sample of it online? I know there are samples for Arrrows, etc.
Reminds me of morning pages in the artist’s way
A selection of samples is available here: http://go.bravewriter.com/brave-writer-sampler
WHat is that mary?
I did not intend this result or explore language learning for this reason, but a surprising benefit of exploring a second language was that of phonics awareness. I don't know if this would be beneficial in a really young child - my own were older when we entered into the idea of second language learning.
The skills tracker was a fantastic addition! The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron
got on late, Will recordings be sent out?
Marie we have webinars that do share that information and we’ll do more of that in the Brave Learner Home.
Recordings go out 24 hours after the session.
This has been phenomenal. Thank you!
Your amazing Dawn; excellent!
So great! Thank you so much
I want Dawn to homeschool me!
Thanks so much, Dawn!
when you have an envelope of several freewrites and want to revisit them, what would they be used for? ONe of the writing projects, or something else??
Thank you Dawn!
thank you so much!!!
Thank you Dawn
The envelope is for freewrites.
Thank you!!! Love all these pointers and reminders!
Awesome, thank you for the info for the Special Needs webinar!
@Erin I heard that part, but then a suggestion was that they go back to them after collecting a few and pick one to develop?
Thank you Julie and Dawn!
Thank you ladies!!!!
This was great Dawn <3 It was fun to "see" you!
Thank you all!!!