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steve
01:14:21
will we be able to get copies of this presentation?
Steve Cohen
01:14:35
Sorry just joined from a different zoom - Will the slides be available/
chizzik1
01:15:14
I’d love a copy of slides too
Linda Jacobson-Bnai Israel Synagogue
01:17:07
can we get a copy of the power point we are viewing
Iris Galfunt
01:17:42
a copy would be great
USCJ Admin
01:17:43
You will get slides & recording
Linda Jacobson-Bnai Israel Synagogue
01:17:48
ty
Yolanda Potasinski
01:17:51
thank you
chizzik1
01:18:00
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Wendy J Glasser
01:18:22
If you can’ hear make sure your phone doesn’t have the sound turned out. If that doesn’t work turn your phone off and on and come back in. I had that problem with my computer last night and stat is what I had to do to fix it.
81969801447
01:22:52
got it!
Wendy J Glasser
01:23:25
Great glad you could get on.
Ken Turkewitz
01:26:08
The more signs you have, the less they are read.
chizzik1
01:26:27
funny
Marian Gordon
01:26:40
Totally agree with Ken
Henry Feller
01:26:49
true
Nancy Simmons
01:26:56
ditto
Ken Turkewitz
01:27:15
It wasn’t meant to be funny. I’m very cognizant about what signs we put up. We really don’t want too many.
Karl Rubin
01:27:44
Makes sense, Ken. Thank you
Neal Blauzvern
01:28:26
How can we enforce these requirements?
Neal Blauzvern
01:29:00
Will we really deny entry to worshippers?
Randy Spiegel
01:29:04
you have to comply or you cannot access. it is safety for all. selfishness not allowed
susankasper
01:29:38
Completely agree Randy!
Yolanda Potasinski
01:29:58
Are we going to say you are too old or too heavy, you can’t come in?
Sharon Bender
01:30:26
Yes, you can deny entry to those who don't comply. It's for EVERYONE's safety.
Gary Geller
01:30:41
It is incumbent upon us to say, yes you are too old
Wendy J Glasser
01:30:54
No! but if they don’t comply with masks and hand sanitizer then they don’t come in. Masks are not to protect you they are to protect others from you. If they can’t respect that they can’t come in.
Am Yisrael Nancy
01:31:06
Being too heavy or too old doesn't put others at risk. Not wearing a mask does.
JZ
01:31:14
No mask No entry for the safety of all Seems pretty simple
Neal Blauzvern
01:31:35
Communication of the rules ahead of time will be KEY!
Kalman Socolof
01:32:06
As Jews, we are inherently sensitive to exclusion. It should inform our actions so that rules are applied firmly, but with respect.
Gail Jeby
01:32:43
Liability issue: if someone does contract coronavirus-there is no proof that it was contracted while in the synagogue. What are the liability issues specifically?
Judy Aronson - Kol Emeth - Skokie IL
01:32:52
what if your tenants are violating the rules and won't wear masks properly?
Randy Spiegel
01:32:53
this is not an issue of inclusion - what if you bubbie was infected by one who was allowed in...
Henry Feller
01:33:25
need ability to control access and egress. single point alone can create other security risks.
Rob Chananie
01:33:37
we have already purchased temperature guns so everyone must have it taken to enter.
Neal Blauzvern
01:34:22
I guess we will all individually need to enforce the rules as needed to those who violate them
Rabbi Rubin
01:34:42
Single point entrance should still allow for multiple emergency exit options.
Neal Blauzvern
01:34:43
With respect, but firmly
Phyllis Abrams - CBI Tustin
01:34:45
Do the temperature guns work at a distance of 6 feet?
Phil Feinberg-Adat Shalom, Poway
01:34:51
Has anyone consider UV-C sanitizing versus chemicals
valerie
01:35:34
do security guards have broader capacities now, so as to do things like monitor entrance to bathroom (so not more than one person enters at a time)
Wendy J Glasser
01:36:18
Is that going to synagogue staff or everyone on this call?
Rob Chananie
01:36:59
you have to be closer to take temperature but that person will be masked and gloved. considering having one of a. security people do it even have
Phil Feinberg-Adat Shalom, Poway
01:37:05
Most touchless thermometers are only good for a few inches.
Rob Chananie
01:37:43
you can get them on amazon
Sharon Bender
01:38:17
If we don't let folks back, then we'll have no one! Our entire shul is at risk! LOL :D
Ken Turkewitz
01:38:23
2-6 inches
Phyllis Abrams - CBI Tustin
01:39:03
We are limited (in CA) to the # who are allowed in - do you have reservations? What happens if you get more than the # allowed?
valerie
01:39:28
you would have to tell them to sign up for another time
Naomi Richman-Anshe Emet, Chicago
01:39:47
A physician on our Re-Opening Committee shared that at her workplace instead of taking temperatures at the workplace employees are given daily screening questions.
Randy Spiegel
01:39:59
in canada where the land is free and the home is brave - noone can be complled to come back to work if htey are at risk or in fear of virus. and its all changing day by day. 4-12 months
Sheryl Goldman
01:40:00
We’ve continued to pay two long-time custodians age 65+ who have not been on site since we shut down. Do we allow them to return to work? We can’t afford to keep paying them AND hire the needed replacement staff.
Naomi Richman-Anshe Emet, Chicago
01:40:06
here are examples of screening questions: Self-screening: A protocol by which an employee answers questions at the start of a shift. Subject to the guidance of the Commissioner of Health, the questions may include: • Have you had a body temperature over 100 degrees Fahrenheit or have you used a fever reducer in the previous 24 hours to treat a body temperature over 100 degrees Fahrenheit? • Do you have a new cough that you cannot attribute to another health condition? • Do you have a new or worsening sore throat that you cannot attribute to another health condition? • Do you have new shortness of breath that you cannot attribute to another health condition? • Have you recently developed a complete loss of smell or taste?
Miriam Haimes
01:40:11
Has the white paper been issued already or is it something they are working on
chizzik1
01:41:00
I’d like to see White paper now!!
Gary Geller
01:41:48
In Santa Clara County, CA the new rules are a maximum attendance of 25 and it must be outdoors. How do we create a secure space when there is no internal courtyard?
chizzik1
01:42:18
If everyone needs to wear a mask; what about Rabbi and person leading service??
USCJ Admin
01:42:40
Yes. When he is finished I'll ask about tempature checks
Carol Benedick
01:42:42
Plexiglass screen for rabbi and service leader.
Neal Blauzvern
01:42:43
Should be no exceptions
B Adler
01:43:25
Is there a recommendation for handling reading from the Torah?
Rob Chananie
01:43:33
can you trust everyone to be totally honest. unfortunately there is too much at risk
Frank Jacobson Or Tzion Scottsdale
01:43:58
One of our MDs spent time with one of his infectious disease docs at Mayo. He also has been tasked by the Board of his Hindu temple for recommendations as they reopen. He seemed generally supportive of our reopening plan with one major exception. He strongly recommends against any form of singing with a public audience for now. In his words "once you generate aerosols, they will remain suspended in the air for a while. Hence the recommendation to avoid singing or chanting for now. He has written two papers on this if anyone wants to see them I have copies. This concerned us so much that we have postponed our opening.
Yolanda Potasinski
01:44:12
Excellent, thank you. Would be great to understand process for receiving mail and deliveries?
Elizabeth Menkin
01:44:28
Is there solid evidence of efficacy or temperature checks as a screening tool?
valerie
01:44:40
what about singing in an outdoor space
Neal Blauzvern
01:44:48
Temperature check is far more reliable than simply asking questions. At my medical practice, we have caught many people with temps but no symptoms
Rita Schweitzer
01:44:54
Singing is a great topic of what we should happening during services
Marcia Goldstein
01:44:55
I have to take my own temperature when I arrive at work. Each person does it for themselves and then the thermometer is cleaned with purell wipes or alcohol wipes so no contact with other people
Yolanda Potasinski
01:45:13
If someone has a fever whether it is or not related to Covid means something is happening and shouldn’t be around people.
Mindy Steinholz
01:45:18
NYS guidelines say 12 ft apart for singing which for us is also much of our communal prayer
Mike D
01:45:58
This presentation was very high level. Is anyone working on recommendations at the detailed level: for instance: WHEN to shift to a re-opening (what criteria in the community); screening, how/who/training; distance for singing vs not singing; frequency of cleaning, etc etc
chizzik1
01:46:03
What is demographics are all older people??/
Neal Blauzvern
01:46:15
Over 65
valerie
01:46:51
So should you put that on a sign? That you're assuming a risk?
Paula Sommer
01:46:53
80% of my congregation is over 65
Fran Lande
01:47:02
Please comment on singing and risks
Gwen Lichtman
01:47:04
can we also get a copy of the chat?
toba August
01:47:47
excellent presentation TU
Elizabeth Menkin
01:47:47
Singing and risk also depends on number of people, ventilation, air flow patterns, and duration of exposure. Too many factors to come up with one guideline!
Wendy J Glasser
01:48:10
I don’t think it our place to tell people they can’t come in based on age or weight. They have to make the risk assessment and decide. However they do have follow there rules that keep other people safe
Mindy Steinholz
01:48:28
Agree
Phyllis Abrams - CBI Tustin
01:48:40
The print is VERY small - can it be made a but bigger?
Phyllis Abrams - CBI Tustin
01:48:44
TOO SMALL
Judy Aronson - Kol Emeth - Skokie IL
01:49:00
80% of my 100 families are over 70 - they are scared to come back
Kalman Socolof
01:49:04
Led musaf at a(n Orthodox) service this past Shabbat. Singing with a mask is disconcerting, particularly when the material keeps getting sucked into your mouth.
Fran Lande
01:49:07
too small
Naomi Richman-Anshe Emet, Chicago
01:49:08
may need to offer an online service for those who are recommended not to come into the building. so have service in building and also out of building to accomodate
Brenda Rich
01:49:34
Hiw large is her temple Brenda Rich
Mindy Steinholz
01:49:35
Consider livestreaming as well
JZ
01:49:43
click view options top right of the viewing window you can adjust from there
Ed Case
01:49:44
What about a Lawyer on the task force?
IJ Rosenblum
01:50:20
why would you not include operations from the beginning? you say when time is right!???
Brenda Rich
01:50:33
Brenda Rich: Our synagogue 98% over 65
Neal Blauzvern
01:50:34
We do livestreaming now and have HUNDREDS more people attending from all over the country than usual local attendees
Kimberly Carter
01:50:36
We have 9 members on our task force, includes doctors, labor lawyer, commercial facilities, and staff.
Jo-Anne Tucker-Zemlak
01:50:54
They are approx. 600 members
Iris Galfunt
01:51:06
livestreaming should remain as part of the future as an option. This will be around for a long time.
Neal Blauzvern
01:51:18
New "normal"
Mindy Steinholz
01:51:23
Not as applicable to small congregations for some things then
Iris Galfunt
01:51:27
yes
Neal Blauzvern
01:53:03
Questions are not reliable as sole criteria
Elizabeth Menkin
01:53:11
What about recording attendance, in case contact tracing needs to be done?
Mindy Steinholz
01:53:23
Will be needed
Neal Blauzvern
01:53:26
Necessary
valerie
01:53:35
don't they already need to have their own masks anyway?
Herzl- Ner Tamid
01:53:51
Is pre registration the answer and if so can people respond that they don't have symptoms and recognize that those in the risk groups are highly discouraged from attending and accept that additional risks- and if they answer days in advance is it moot?
Mindy Steinholz
01:53:54
Yes here to go anywhere such as store
reubenrohn
01:54:21
How about gloves for touching, handrails, door knobs, Torah scrolls, siddurim, etc
Kalman Socolof
01:54:37
How is pre-registration different from acquiring tickets? That process seems a way to pre-screen.
Neal Blauzvern
01:54:47
Given 2 week incubation, nothing except temp is reliable at point of entry
Marian Gordon
01:54:48
Foot operated sanitizers are available - handsfree
Mindy Steinholz
01:55:15
And some with Covid don't have fever so it is not 100%
Marilyn Morris
01:55:19
besides just stating masks are required, it needs to be stipulated that masks cover the bottom half of the nose, mouth and extend under the chin. m
Neal Blauzvern
01:55:38
Nothing is 100%, but it's better than just questions
Cantor
01:55:46
Cantor can't wear mask while singing, right?
Judy Aronson - Kol Emeth - Skokie IL
01:55:57
I agree with Marilyn morris. that is so important.
Kalman Socolof
01:56:01
Why not?
Cantor
01:56:03
Or others leading parts of the service...
Iris Galfunt
01:56:13
Foot operated sanitizers sound good..
Karl Rubin
01:56:14
Do you supply masks for those who don’t bring one?
Kalman Socolof
01:56:14
Is that halachic?
David Proser
01:56:18
Haven't tried yet
barbaraparkoff
01:56:21
and cantors need to be 16 feet from people when singing
reubenrohn
01:56:23
Cantor should wear mask or shield especially when singing!
Cantor
01:56:35
It's just hard to sing with a mask on, right?
Iris Galfunt
01:57:00
"Hard" is not a reason not to do it.
Kalman Socolof
01:57:12
Yes, but we may just have to suck it up (no pun intended)
reubenrohn
01:57:14
It’s also harder to breathe with one on but it is a safety issue for others
Rabbi Shawn
01:57:17
saw medical centers using big face photos for masked personnel
Cantor
01:57:53
Right. But I just wonder if the cantor will be able to be heard. Won't it sound very muffled?
Gary Geller
01:58:06
You touch it, you own it!
chizzik1
01:58:13
What about prayer books?????
Nancy
01:58:24
Is there a problem with people singing during services?
Vered Cohen
01:58:25
Disposable Kippahs
Rabbi Adrienne Rubin
01:58:31
A trained singer will be able to be heard. :)
Nancy Simmons
01:58:32
You can rotate prayer books.
Kalman Socolof
01:58:32
I did not find that to be a problem. Enunciation may have to be a greater focus than usual.
Robert Rich
01:58:35
Letting used siddurim age for a week between use should make them safe.
valerie
01:58:36
after a day or two the virus is not active to spread
David Proser
01:59:12
Baltimore library policy: Returned books quarantined for 48 hours
Robert Rich
01:59:13
So, one table/rack to pick up siddurim and a different one to deposit used ones.
Ken Turkewitz
01:59:16
For the recommendation on gloves that someone made: It’s not clear what is being protected. If someone has on gloves and the outside gets infected, then he/she is infecting anything he/she touches after that with the gloves on. Unless the gloves are changed (and old ones disposed of) frequently, the gloves will have limited, if any, positive effect.
Meryl Natter
01:59:23
It has been said that singing can spread droplets up to 20 ft.
Wendy J Glasser
01:59:57
Prayer books are fine if not used between Shabbatot. Big problem is to get congregants to take stuff out with them. Throw out disposable kippot, etc.
Marilyn Morris
02:00:10
paper is fine from a day to a few days depending on the study, so one Shabbat to the next is fine but not from Friday night to Sat morning or weekday minyans
Kimberly Carter
02:00:12
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/faith-based.html
Robin Wolk
02:00:17
And WHO will be enforcing? Are we asking lay leaders to do this?
Cantor
02:00:51
Are any of your synagogues having services in person yet?
David Proser
02:01:03
no
Vered Cohen
02:01:05
No
Judy Potasznik
02:01:06
I don't think your screen is sharing. still on defining the task
Robert Rich
02:01:11
Put the pickup siddurim table near the "in" door and the drop off table near the "out" door. You should have those separate, in any case
reubenrohn
02:01:15
No
Paula Sommer
02:01:23
need RSVPs to facilitate tracking if necessary
Iris Galfunt
02:01:35
No. All streaming right now
valerie
02:01:56
not yet
Karl Rubin
02:01:59
No
Henry Feller
02:02:00
books and virus life may be temp and humidity dependent
Agudas Achim
02:02:25
Came into webinar later. How about bathroom recommendations?
Wendy J Glasser
02:02:41
Same heading different bullet points
Iris Galfunt
02:03:54
Each state's guidelines have to be applied. Some are looser than others.
Brenda Rich
02:03:59
Brenda Rich Congregation Am HaYam in Ventura Need someone to speak for small synagogues. Our 58 units. Don't have volunteers that are well enough Most over 65
Naomi Richman
02:04:19
is anyone planning to keep a record of everyone who enters the building, for contact tracing is someone gets sick?
Kalman Socolof
02:04:28
I hear you, Brenda. We have 58 individuals.
David Weiner
02:04:55
Small shuls have a different set of challenges...not enough resources to have all of these committees
valerie
02:05:05
but clearly the timeline needs to be flexible because you could have a spike in the virus
kathleen
02:05:42
how large is your camp?
Rabbi Adrienne Rubin
02:05:43
The CDC removed references to choirs and singing in its final version. A better resource for that is https://www.middleclassartist.com/post/nats-panel-of-experts-lays-out-sobering-future-for-singers-no-vaccine-no-safe-public-singing
Jo-Anne Tucker-Zemlak
02:06:01
small congregations will narrow the committees to their needs, they may not need all of these.
Yolanda Potasinski
02:06:04
When do you have any time to do other work ;-)
Ken Turkewitz
02:06:05
Naomi, yes, we’re going to start logging entrances and exits. Not sure yet how we’re going to handle this for Shabbat.
Rabbi Miriam Spitzer
02:06:31
There are webinars geared specifically to small congregations. There is one on Thursday night
valerie
02:06:34
the video is a really good idea
Kalman Socolof
02:06:45
Perhaps we should consider adopting the orthodox model in that the cantor faces the ark, rather than the congregation.
Ellen Feit
02:06:56
Agree!
David Proser
02:07:01
We already do that
Marlboro Jewish Center
02:07:14
this was excellent, very helpful!
MadelynIsaacs
02:07:34
excellent presentations. thank you
Phyllis Abrams - CBI Tustin
02:07:35
Video tour is an excellent idea!
Margie Pomerantz
02:07:47
Excellent presentation with very practical ideas. Thank you!
Naomi Richman
02:07:48
thx Ken
Linda Jacobson-Bnai Israel Synagogue
02:08:02
Thank you for an excellent, well-organized and thought out presentation. When will we have the recording available?
valerie
02:08:11
it's also good for legal coverage!
Wendy J Glasser
02:08:12
Cantor faces the arc but then people go into that area to take out torah and become affected and walk back out to the congregation.
Randy Spiegel
02:08:15
re the choirs, the virus is droplet spread and not aerosolized. still choirs are extremely challenging and the 6 ft is not sufficient
Phyllis Abrams - CBI Tustin
02:08:17
Take ALL the other signs down - this is the most important
Herzl- Ner Tamid
02:08:28
Please address how to screen- its not easy to get a staff person to do it as is risky
Robert Rich
02:08:50
We don't plan anyone but the clergy on the bimah.
Wendy J Glasser
02:09:22
Attendance can be take with a membership and stickers so that we don’t have to write
Cantor
02:09:38
So will there be no participation from others?
valerie
02:09:38
They will need to sign up to attend a service anyway b/c we need to manage our numbers
Brenda Rich
02:09:39
Brenda Thank you all for responses for small synagogues
Mindy Steinholz
02:09:41
As with Bar/Bat Mitzvah kids
Frank Jacobson Or Tzion Scottsdale
02:09:42
We will take reservations only for a limited number of congregants.
Cantor
02:09:47
Or will it be from their seats?
Robert Rich
02:10:04
Or we can ask people to sign up in advance online and attest they are healthy, etc. Then, only those on the list are admitted.
Robert Rich
02:10:29
Others can participate from their seats.
IJ Rosenblum
02:10:36
hipaa doesn’t apply at all - we aren’t doctors :)
Robert Rich
02:10:40
Or a microphone in the aisle
Marc Kashar
02:10:44
Who will "write" on shabbas to take attendance?
valerie
02:10:54
they can put a sticker next to their name
Jill Ratner
02:11:01
What about having log in/log out for each person entering the building for tracing
reubenrohn
02:11:03
Aerosolization occurs with COVID19 - Science 10.1126/science.abcd6197(2020)
Kalman Socolof
02:11:11
Or have a membership list with fold tabs...
IJ Rosenblum
02:11:21
is that member families or members
Phyllis Abrams - CBI Tustin
02:12:02
Thank-you for the material.
Mindy Silverstein
02:12:03
do you know what the safety/cleaning protocols are for restrooms?
chizzik1
02:12:04
replay??
Ken Turkewitz
02:12:17
Working off of membership lists (either with stickers or tabs) doesn’t let you track non-members who are attending.
Kalman Socolof
02:12:25
Thanks to the presenters and fellow participants.
reubenrohn
02:12:28
Number 2 chjhighholidays.com is inaccesable
Robin Wolk
02:12:32
any suggestions on wholesale hand sanitizers. Amazon products do not smell good
valerie
02:12:34
if they sign up you'll know to expect them
Yolanda Potasinski
02:12:40
Thank you very, very much to all the presenters and ED’s comments. Good luck
CBI
02:12:43
Great presentation, look forward to the follow up materials. Thank you! Be safe & healthy!
Iris Galfunt
02:12:43
People can have preprinted labels at home and stick them on a sheet when they arrive
Rabbi Shawn
02:12:45
Thank You
Robin Wolk
02:12:49
Also can you share your timeline as a sample?
Patrice Ruel
02:12:56
Thank you!
Elizabeth Menkin
02:12:56
We have additional reasons to capture info on guests, such as we have tried to address for HHD
Vered Cohen
02:12:57
Thank you
Wendy J Glasser
02:12:59
Thank you