Morning everyone, Im Katie, from Canterbury, netball coach and lecturer on a sport coaching science programme here in the sunny south east.
Morning all, Claire from England here. Currently work full time for Leicester City boys Academy and also coach Chesterfield Women FC. Currently undertaking UEFA B
hi all, Moya Dodd here in Australia - joining you until I have to dash off to take our first o35 team training after lockdown!
Hi I'm Hayley Harrison and I work with Sport Ireland Coaching in the Republic of Ireland. I am currently working on an Erasmus+ project (PEAK) and I am writing up case studies for the project, I'd like to write up this project as one of the women in coaching case studies.
Morning, Rory from England. Masters student looking at women coaching men in hockey
wonderful to see so much interest from around the world
Good Morning , Jo Weisen joining from Luxembourg. International Sport Management student at The Hague University of applied science
Hi, I'm Laura Wallace from UWS, Ayr, Scotland. I am working toward a Professional Doctorate and my area is The Coaching Intentions of elite female players so I am very interested in this area.
Hey all, I am Debs, I am a coach mentor in the UK and assist with female CPD/wildcats. Really looking forward to this.
Morning everyone, I am Vivienne Aiyela, Non Executive Director at London FA and Chair of the Women and Girls Advisory group
Morning everyone. Kath here from Sport Structures in England. Interested in female coaching and coaching development
Hello All, Maria from London, coach football and other sports
Hi All. Skye Eddy here from the US. I am a coach educator and founder of Soccer Parenting. looking forward to this!
Morning all, really looking forward to this. I am a SL @University of Herts, PhD researcher, and female coach in the game of football.
Hello, Lyne here from NYU Abu Dhabi as the head women's football coach at the university (in United Arab Emirates). Very interested in coaching development and supporting women playing football.
Hi all, Maria from Nottingham in England. Work as a rugby coach and very interested in this topic. Looking forward to it 👌😊
Hi all, upcoming PhD exploring the experiences of non-heterosexual coaches and leaders at the University of Worcester.
Hi, Aris Stolz from joining from Germany, also an International Sport Management student at The Hague University of Applied Sciences
morning Everyone Khalid from Birmingham UK I work with u18s and wildcats 5-11 here in the West Midlands
Hi all, Rae Dower here from Australia. I am the current U17 Women’s Football National Team Head Coach, known as the Junior Matilda’s.
Morning all, look forward to seeing how the research presented aligns with my current observations in the game. I'm First Team Coach at Stoke City Women
Hi everyone, I'm Abbe Brady from St Mary's University - we are an FA WHPC - we conduct research into women's football and particularly coaching. We also run FD, UG and PG programmes in Football Coaching
Hope Powell from BHAFC!
Hi everyone, Pippa Grange from Right to Dream
In your company twice in a week, Moya! Great to see you here.
Morning All, Laura from London. I am currently working in Tier 3 of womens football and working within the local community in Hertfordshire
pippa! rae dower! so many good people on this call!
Hi All, I’m Dane from Melbourne, Australia. Currently doing my PhD in elite athlete transitions. Also have previous experience working in Women’s Australian Rules Football with elite level athletes.
hi from Vancouver, Canada. looking forward to the presentation
Hi Everyone, my name is Jyoti Gosai. I am a PhD student at Loughborough University researching gender within the coaching context. Really looking forward to hearing the webinar today!
Morning,Eoin here; Sport & Exercise Science lecturer at University Academy 92 Manchester (UA92), director of performance in an elite girl’s academy (RTC) and a PhD candidate (exploring the role of the youth football coach in players psychosocial and moral character development) at Leeds Beckett University. Hope everyone is well.
Nice to meet you all :)
Matthias de Graaf
Hi everyone, my name is Matthias de Graaf and I am currently calling from Brussels, Belgium. I am currently in my first year of studying International Sports Management at the The Hague University of Applied Sciences. I hope by attending this seminar to get a better insight into this ongoing issue.
Hello, My name is Ilse Vollebregt from the Netherlands and I am a International Sport Management student from THUAS as well!
Hello everyone, Shannon Sievwright, I am working for Saints Foundation as Female Inclusion Officer :)
Donna your mic is off
Donna you are on mute.
Hi All, Mel Jones. My day to day now is cricket commentary however have a Human Mvt and coaching background and currently working a lot on progressing women in sport here in Australia through Victoria University and the Change Our Game Campaign.
all but 1!
Hello - I'm Steve Tones - University of Chester - becoming very interested in the idea of the non sport specific coach mentor working with elite coaches - would like to link with other such coach mentors
survivorship bias ?
Gidday Mel Jones - international cricketer and commentator
Hello everyone, I’m Ieva, currently living in Helsingborg, Sweden. I’m a head coach for a division 1 football team in Sweden (Hittarps IK), and I run a mentorship program at the club helping young players in the club make the transition to coaching. Looking forward to learning today!
Hi , I am here from Shropshire and have been researching the roles women have played in sport for 20 years....
Ryan Marvin Dempsey
Hello, Carmelina Moscato, Manager of Women’s Professional Football Development for Canadian Soccer Business! Within this role, I am also the Commissioner of League1 Ontario. 4am here ! :) haha
Yes its a problem :)
Yes - noticed it in terms of the gender pay gap at clubs
Indeed a problem!
Greetings everyone. This is Heather Reid from Australia, a Director with the Football Federation and former CEO of Canberra United where I recruited top female coaches to work with our elite players in the national W-League.
Hey Moya :)))
morning all. yes ageees
Ryan Marvin Dempsey
I can agree with that in some of my experiences.
Hi everyone, Sarah West here. Head Coach U17s at Canberra United Academy in Canberra, Australia, and on the Exec Committee of the Australian Coaches Association.
Good morning from Greece! Niki Michalopoulou here, football player for Aghia Paraskevi (1st tier), aiming to explore ways to keep female football players in the industry (as referees, coaches, organizers etc)
Not only undervalued in terms of other coaches, head coaches and organisations but (certainly in my early coaching days) undervalued by women players themselves in some cases. All of that has to hit your confidence levels and self-belief... That's a tough thing to overcome!
Greg Spencer - Head Coach for Pennine Canoe Club / Regional Chair for British Canoeing - working (among other things) on pathways into coaching for 14-16 year old girls.
donna de Haan
Julia we also found that in our data - women players under value women coaches - men are seen as experts and so don’t question their expertise the same way as we question women’s expertise - which is why we need to normalise and educate
Language has been one of the biggest drivers of change in cricket eg The national teams are the Australian Women's and Australian Men's Cricket teams. Not the Australian Team and the Australian Women's team.
that’s a really interesting point from Julia. I’ve found that exact attitude across in disability football coaching from disabled players to disabled coaches.
Not football, but when Andy Murray hired Amelie Mauresmo to be his coach, he had to answer A LOT of questions about a man in tennis being coached by a woman and he had to already say "if this partnership doesn't work, it will have nothing to do with her being a woman and me a man" - and he had to say this from the very beginning of the partnership. How disheartening for the both of them and for all women coaches.
donna de Haan
Great point Marcela - I’m a huge fan of Andy Murray primarily for his outspoken work in equality
Important to consider the value of women in other technical football roles like analysis and recruitment - these allow access and familiarity to women for Mae coaches who are not quite ready to take the leap of women into their assistant roles
From my experience of working in a cat 3 academy-recruitment takes place and women apply for roles, however it's still all 'jobs for the boys' and who knows who. So despite nearly 200 applicants it will still be engineered for their 'mate' to have the role. They will complete the BAME process to meet the EFL guidelines but still get their mate to apply and give them the job
My research on female coach experiences on the UEFA A licence has really highlighted these challenges, language and text that silences and others these coaches. Even when they speak up and resist they are further supressed. We need coach educators who can disrupt this culture that is produced and reproduced on these courses, who can facilitate a learning experience where females can be authentic and contextualise to the part of the game they are in, RTCs, Championship, WSL. This presentation is further highlighting the rhizomatic nature of this problem/ challenge. Hopefully we can all do our bit to contribute to this powerful message.
Stupid question.... Do you think that cancelling the Women leagues for this season will affect Sponsors, development of the game and audience?
Rebecca - agreed. We need tutors to set the environment up which is suitable for all, not women.
"women players under valuing women coaches" is a big challenge that requires constant education and behavioural change by the female players
I hate being dyslexia... I meant suitable for women and all learners.
We need more black women coaches! they face so much discrimination
Need more women as decision makers. Otherwise its going to be more of Phil Neville on repeat. Hiring those who look like you. +status, perceived or real.
I wonder who has responsibility to map high potential women coaches and track them
donna de Haan
We need a diverse and inclusive workforce working within a diverse and inclusive culture.
Julie King, I agree … who makes those 'fair' decisions?
As a black female coach- the issue I had in the past that there wasn't anyone in my area that looked like me, so I initially took no interest in the game. If it was unlikely for females to be involved when I was younger it was even rarer for BAME
These recruitment issues riddle sports media, too. It’s often jobs for the boys…. or a ticking box exercise.
In most sports, at a grassroots level there are often more females involved in different roles. Obviously when roles just need filling then gender (or colour, age, etc) doesn't matter so much. So where/when/why does that change? I've always found that curious.
Agreed Claire. I once didn't get a job at a boys academy with u16 as I was told the age group isn't good and if they performed badly parents would blame me being female. So they gave it to the male in the club, despite saying I was the better coach
Abigail - Great question. I guess who shouts the loudest!!
It's refreshing to see a focus on male sponsors - and indeed any sense that men can actually play a positive role - but there's limited psychologically safe space there - Andy Murray has the confidence to navigate that space but I can't imagine many men in positions of influence step into that space without real trepidation.
donna de Haan
Interesting question Myrid - it’s linked to power and privilege, which creates internal barriers to progression
@Myrid I believe the impact of gender bias intensifies as the prestige, power, and pay for coaching positions increases. It's not an on off switch.
Psychological safety or lack of, can affect confidence and mental health too
I carried out some research in 2012 looking at generic career barriers that had affected those women who were on the executive boards of all the NGB's of the Summer Olympics , there were not too many women , some interesting data came from this. Would be interesting to go back in some way to see if there any changes ??
Thanks Leanne, Donna et al.
donna de Haan
Please feel free to ask direct questions in here a we move to the QnA section
Yup, I agree Janine. But I would love to look into that more. As a teacher, we see that same thing in different ways- more female teachers and yet the males are respected by students and families more than females. But I wish we could harness the acceptance of that grassroots world (both from the organisations, parents and players).
We know that men are at higher positions and they tend to hire man (white/eterosex)… How can we be the game changers?
Thank you, this is fantastic!
That questions was Abigail
Q - One challenge I've had with track and field coaching is convincing people (men) that the issue is beyond the women. Any advice on strategies that shift focus from "blame the woman" narratives to addressing the work environment?
TO ANYONE ON THIS CALL:
how do we 'force' the governing bodies to implement this - even when you strip it back to a simple case of 'performing better'...that is even ignored... so if 97% of all international champs have been won by a woman head coach - England still dont hire a women... and ... womens football in general is treated equitably even when there is a woman leader a the top...
Donna, you mention the internal barriers too. I think sometimes we play into them/ strengthen them also unknowingly. There's a lot of self-doubt and self-criticism too that (often which is a result of societal attitudes and preconceptions) strengthens those internal barriers. I often feel it sort of becomes a cycle in some respects.
Question - how do you support large Football NGOs/NGBs to commit to change when our research highlights issues?
If women coaches are perceived (by others but also perceive for ourselves) that we get a role as part of a tick box exercise rather than on our own merit, how can we feel valued and not over-scrutinised? How do we break in to the old boys network?
Are there any women's football coaching networks/groups to join that help with coaching resources / empowerment etc.?
Good morning everyone, I am just about to embark on a study into the coaching intentions of elite female players so this is a shameless plea to anyone who may be in a position to help in any way. I've currently got agreement from Shelley Kerr to questionnaire the Scotland team but am aware these women are currently 'seeing' a female high level coach so would like to include some other national teams. If anyone has links with other national teams and they would like to hear more please get in touch - email@example.com. Thanks!
thank you. this was great. clear and informative.
why do you feel that we lose talent between levels 2 and 3 in football
Thank you Leanne and Donna. Extremely insightful work you are doing in this space. Thank you. My question: You seem to draw a distinction between working environment and individual (women) - Why do you feel emphasis must shift away from the individual (women coaches) and focus on the working environment? ...should we not focus on both?
Q: Thank you for the presentation - what are your thoughts on female only coaching courses?
Any female coaches based in London in the chat?
Q - We see women dropping out of football (across all sectors) after having negative experiences at work. How do we help these women bounce back so they continue to pursue their career ambitions in football?
@Lyne try 'Women In Football'
Yes Donna :-). it is about tackling the root cause of the issue/problem rather than providing a 'solution' to the problem.
really great presentation. Thank you. Q. how/what would you recommend to those on the ground (coach developers/mentors/coaches) when aiming to change a culture of football on a daily basis?
Question: Media is powerful and the narrative around women in sports is often demeaning. What’s the advice to break away from this pattern and change the conversation on media (which is the influence on a lot of young minds)? Do we need to first change the reality in the field and the media will follow, or does the media have a role (and responsibility) to promote women in a serious way, so that changes in the field will then happen? Hope you know what I mean…
q-I work at a sports centre, what can we do to promote equality and normalise women in sport? thanks for the presentation was fantastic!
Black female coaches numbers are still low, four white men sitting around a table discussing female coaches in London, only concerned about KPI's but overlook the issues of not enough black female coaches any suggestions how to change the mindset
Sometimes it's ok to be a 'trouble maker' but you have to have support. If you don't rock the boat, you won't get change.
I am definitely own for the language. The FIFA World Cup = Men. Yet The FIFA women’s World Cup 🙈. Such as simple fix
Thanks for sharing this ladies - a lot of food for thought and definitely some good calls to action
This has been great!
Thank you Donna and Leanne, this has been really enjoyable and insightful.
You talked about security in the work place, if you are the only woman there, how do you get that support... networking with guys at a personal level is really tough. Just plucking up the courage to strike up a friendship.... e.g. I once asked a fellow coach to stay in touch (so yes, for his phone number which I might add, he was freely giving out to other men coaches) and his first response was, "I am married"! There were so many replies I could have made...
Q - Is there a balance to be struck between ‘over homogenising’ female coaches with male coaches (e.g. L3 woman = L3 man) and emphasising some of the strengths women may have over men in a modern day coaching environment (e.g. communication skills/relationship building). Appreciate this is obviously on an individual basis, not all men or women are strong/weak in these areas.
helping individuals is good, but if we don’t also fix the system, then it will always be a place where good women suffer
Julia this is a massive untapped issue - deep beliefs and fears that shape the dynamics.
if we only focus on “fixing the women” with special courses etc, then we excuse the system and people don’t realise they must address it
Love the square peg/change the hole analogy Donna - resonates with me completely
pippa - hits nail on head as usual !!
A lot of people on here doing great work across several sports and roles, together we can make a positive difference!
A lot of the time, females who do get higher appointments are criticised as only being in the roles because they are filling some kind of diversity quota not because of they deserve the role
Thank you for answering the question - much appreciated.
Getting called ‘lad’ when you are a grown women is the least of the issues. I was the only woman on my UEFA course last year, 20 years after my first course where I was the only woman. What’s happened? Where is everyone?
Do you think more female tutors could support this work
What are your thoughts on quotas requiring women to coach women?
We need a bigger table!
Yes Robyn-Hannah Dingley is the only Female working full time in Coaching in Male Professional Football (Academy Manager at Forest Green), all the comments I saw when appointed was they are just trying to make a point and fill quotas
I am a coach educator and teach all women’s courses sometimes - and I’ve come to the conclusion more female coach educators is what we need - not female only courses. They serve a purpose for the short term but are not necessarily solving the environmental problem.
x3 females on my UEFA B, I was the only female on my L2
But even when measured quantivley on a performance level - women coaching women has a huge success rate - but federations still don't hire women...
In Paddlesport, the biggest impact of running women-only courses was an even less acceptable balance on all of the other courses. I would be keener on a system constraint that said courses could ONLY run if (say) 25% of the participants are female.
Thanks, Donna & Leanne - great presentation, really thought-provoking. Working with volunteer grassroots coaches, I find retention is a big issue - number of women coaches decreases as athletes get older.
I think more female tutors would definitely help in influencing the culture on coach education courses.
Important to consider the impact communities can have on girls career choices and whether they feel working in sports is an option for them.
thanks Leanne and Donna, great insight...
donna de Haan
great idea Greg
yet FIFA determined in 1999 that women would ref women — hate to think where womens reffing would be otherwise??
Cancelling the womens league bad?
More female tutors in general - not just on female only courses. I personally don't like female-only courses, but I want to feel safe in a mixed cohort. Not just safe in the group - safe from the tutors....
What are the age profiles of women and girls going into coaching? How does that compare with men and boys going into coaching? Do we have scope for a different strategy for getting girls into coaching at 15-18 years of age? For sponsoring at a younger age?
Thank you Donna, Leanna and all involved with your continued efforts in this space. Inspirations!
How can you belong if all the language doesn’t make you feel welcome? Female educators?
Terrific forum D&L. Thank you for sharing your research and being so open to connecting all of us who have a role to play in shifting the culture and improving the environment for women in football.
gender balanced shortlists for recruitment, perhaps
Thank you so much for this wonderful webinar. Look forward to reading the publications from it and report :)
Need to have a balanced recruitment panel not just skin colour but they need to have an understanding of D&I. Because a person is BAME they are not experts on all BAME people
I like the idea that insisting on a significant proportion of female candidates is actually a quality issue: get course providers thinking that without that balance, EVERYONE suffers!
As a 22 year old who has played football since the age of 5 and a bit everywhere in the world. I have never been coached by a women. It sadly definitely created an unconscious bias for me about women coaching football, until I just opened my eyes. I really think, the more young kids are coached by women and men at an early age, it would remove these potential biases about women coaches.
donna de Haan
As we start to wrap this us we would again like to say a huge thank you to everyone who has joined and contributed to this conversation - please feel free to email us to continue the conversation
Thanks for the presentation.
Thank you! Great conversation and input by all involved.
Really informative webinar, thank you!
Great stuff - thank you
Thanks Everyone, great discussions here, lovely to spend the morning with you all.
Thanks for this - I have written a good list of ideas here to chase up!
Thanks Leanne & Donna, great webinar. Can we have the slides emailed out?
Thank you so mucn
thank you...let's have more!
Thank you guys
Thank you, very informative!
Thank you! Fantastic insight!
Best webinar for along time! Thank you
Thanks Leanne and Donna for the webinar, really informative!
Thank you very much!
Thank you both, and all.
This has been outstanding, thank you
Thanks for the great presentation - sooo refreshing - Call to action!
Very informative, thanks.
It has been brilliant, thanks
Susanna Soler Prat
Ryan Marvin Dempsey
Thank you very much
Thank uou for the great insights
Thank you for sharing this with us all!
Thank you Donna and Leanne for the presentation and for your advocacy. Let’s now make it everyone’s business to continue the conversation. Cheers…
thank you!!! saludos de México!!
Thank you - great presentation
Thank you for a great presentation and talk !
Thank you very much!
Thanks very much, that was very interesting. I am very keen to find out more so I'll be in touch! Thanks again.
Thank you very muhc
Thanks both - really valuable.
Thank you so much!
Thank you, great presentation
Thanks both - a fantastic event
Thank you very much
Thought provoking, thank you for running this webinar. Happy to attend another :)
Morning everyone, very powerful to have so many passionate about this topic in the same ‘room’.
Thanks Leanne and Donna. And those who ommented.
Thank you it's been very enjoyable and useful to hear
Thank you, great webinar
Thank you so much!
Thanks so much to ye both!
great job! q&a on successes would be good to bring to life progress as well as what we still need to do. thanks
Thank you for sharing, look forward to seeing more.
Atlanta St John
Thank you - really insightful
Fantastic webinar - another one would be great and much needed! Thank you
brilliant, thanks everyone!
Thank you! It was fantastic!
Thank you! So many ideas coming out from hearing you!
Thank you both, great webinar
Thank you - I am going to be more vocal on my interest in coaching football and at my club. #Inspired
Thank you for sharing. Great point shared, also solutions and ideas to work towards
thank you so much, this was very informative!
Thank you so much!
Thanks a million. Brilliant presentation - very valuable