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Discernment Session #7 - Shared screen with speaker view
Eileen Purdy
28:15
Can't he use the recording?
Allen Ewing-Merrill
33:21
FYI, the Steins are Jewish
Shantia / Jonathan Wright-Gray
44:33
cant hear well
Hayli Hu Kinney
47:38
I am proud of our younger generations today - many of them hold deep personal and societal values and are unwilling to compromise on them. Thank you Talya and Amy for sharing their voices.
Talya Davis
51:19
Yes, the youth are incredible in their resolve and strength.
Allen Ewing-Merrill
51:27
I’m grateful for the honesty of our guests, and I have to say, I find this heartbreaking.
Shelly Page
52:25
I wholeheartedly agree, Allen!
Hayli Hu Kinney
52:39
I agree, Allen. I was unaware how important denominational affiliation is in our local reputation.
Randy & Pete Cathcart
54:26
Growing up in the church, it always seemed like the church considered only it's own vision and efforts to impact the community. I never once (until today) experienced a church seeking the input of the community on the church's actions and positions. This is so important!
Don Rudalevige
54:47
Like Allen, I find this whole issue very painful, as the Church I joined from Catholicism was meant to be inclusive and welcoming. I later found out it wasn't, that it was deeply into racism (parts still are) but officially we were trying to be inclusive. Now, we are actually trying to be exclusive and denying another whole group of people. "When will we ever learn"?
Erica Lovejoy
55:20
I have a comment, I guess.
Evelyn Johnson Moore
56:41
I have a comment too
Ophelia Hu Kinney (she/her)
59:33
Thank you for sharing, Erica. I’m so sorry that you had that experience.
Don Rudalevige
59:42
Well said Erica, Don
Shelly Page
01:00:09
Thank you, Erica. It breaks my heart that you had to go through that...
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:00:15
Erica, thank you for sharing that story. It’s not my place to apologize for that, but I am really, really sorry you had to experience that. It should never have happened. That is called prejudice. That it exists within our denomination grieves me to the core.
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:00:20
Courtney and then Carter
Randy & Pete Cathcart
01:00:41
I have a comment too
Talya Davis
01:00:54
Yes, Erica; I've unfortunately heard similar experiences echoed from many other youth. I can also add that I was raised in a protestant church that voted to become Welcoming and Affirming when I was in high school, and it made a big difference for me (as it does for LGBTQ youth now) that the church made such a positive stance.
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:01:22
Randy or Pete after Carter
Sam Johnson
01:02:07
I have a comment.
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:02:29
MANY
Cassie Moon
01:04:54
I have a comment
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:05:12
Carter, Cathcarts, Sam, and then Cassie
Shelly Page
01:06:40
I have a comment
amy johnson
01:07:00
HI Carter!
Erica Lovejoy
01:07:54
I am reading Glennon Doyle's new book, Untamed. She says "Brave does not mean feeling afraid and doing it anyway. Brave means living from the inside out. Brave means, in every uncertain moment, turning inward, feeling for the Knowing, and speaking it out loud." This is my prayer.
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:08:09
Beautiful words, Erica
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:11:20
Next Cassie
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:11:28
Love Glennon!
Wanda Stahl
01:11:54
Thank you for sharing that, Erica. Resonates with me personally and for us as a community.
Elizabeth Beane
01:13:30
I have a comment
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:13:52
Cassie and then Elizabeth
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:14:17
Please add me to the queue
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:14:50
Elizabeth and then Allen. Only 10 minutes left.
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:14:59
Shelly is before me
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:15:19
Correction: Elizabeth, Shelly, and then Allen
Don Rudalevige
01:15:37
Sam, it sounds very much like what African-Americans said in 1939, when we intentionally discriminated against them: that they would be a leaven in the loaf. It took them 25 years to make the denomination officially open...but this battle has bene going on for 48 years already. Tough questions., Don
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:16:38
Cassie, that’s so hard. Thanks for saying that.
Lindsay Roan
01:16:48
Elijah is loudly shouting happily to you all.
Erica Lovejoy
01:17:16
Hi Elijah!!
amy johnson
01:18:07
Sam, your comments resonate with me — this is a classic challenge in public policy, to decide whether to try to affect change from within vs “exiting”. It’s not easy and I don’t envy the decisions ahead of HGW.
Ophelia Hu Kinney (she/her)
01:18:53
Elizabeth, you didn’t “fail.” <3 You were faithful and continue to be.
Ophelia Hu Kinney (she/her)
01:20:28
Tim has a hand raised
Sara Ewing-Merrill
01:20:44
Tim next
Erica Lovejoy
01:22:40
I agree Shelley, it's heart breaking. I love being a part of the connectionalism of the United Methodist Church. I grow up with a difficult family situation and knowing so many people from MEchuwana and Annual conference really got me through, I had dozens of adopted parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles from the church. I really believe that I would be a different person, if weren't for the UMC But the UMC doesn't feel safe for my family at this point. And that sucks.
Kathy Strand
01:23:01
If time, I’d like to speak
Lindsay Roan
01:23:34
staying and fighting to change is only a choice those with privilege can make...
Eileen Purdy
01:24:02
I'm the same as Shelley. Life long Methodist. Strong, strong connection. But my heart and faith do not allow me to continue that connection after what I heard to day. Pain.
Evelyn Johnson Moore
01:24:42
It will be an important part of our conversation at some point to talk about resistance from within or taking a stand by leaving. I look forward to having that conversation as a community.
Don Rudalevige
01:25:01
The question really is: How shall we be faithful to God? We are presently in an unfaithful body. Don
Evelyn Johnson Moore
01:25:24
Powerful question Don
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:25:31
Amen, Don
Don Rudalevige
01:25:47
If we take that vote, can it still be rescinded if 2021 brings about more hopeful stances by the denomination.
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:25:52
Grateful for the witness of our community partners
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:26:07
Don, yes — the vote can be rescinded at any time
Evelyn Johnson Moore
01:26:10
So important to hear our partner voices
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:26:28
And the vote only initiates the process of negotiating with the Conference — it doesn’t finalize anything.
Shelly Page
01:26:31
Thank you all for sharing!
Ophelia Hu Kinney (she/her)
01:26:37
Thank you to everyone who spoke on behalf of our partners today - grateful for your time and ministry
Kathy Strand
01:26:55
Does this mean our bishop will remain our bishop through at least Sept 2021?
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:27:06
I don’t think we know that, Kathy
Talya Davis
01:27:10
Thank you for inviting me! I wish you all the best in this difficult process.
Wanda Stahl
01:27:13
Thanks to all of our partners for taking the time to be with us.
Randy & Pete Cathcart
01:27:20
Unfortunately, we're not voting on whether or not to continue with the world that was. We were resisting in a world where there was ambiguity. But the denomination has changed around us, and we are now deciding whether to participate in the aggressively anti-LGBTQ denom that now exists or to chart a new course based on values that differ from the denomination.
Kathy Strand
01:27:25
Thank you all
Kathy Strand
01:27:42
Thanks Randy -spot on!
Allen Ewing-Merrill
01:28:38
What I wanted to say, in part, is that we have to be very clear that it’s not someone else making these decisions — it’s not the IRD, it’s not those other United Methodists. It’s us. These are the official policies and practices of our denomination.
amy johnson
01:28:39
I hesitate to share my wonky academic perspective but some of you may be interested in Albert Hirschman’s. 1970 article “exit, voice and loyalty” I will share with Sara.