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Tracey Neikirk
18:35
Made it from Smithfield, VA!
Bernice Baker
18:40
Good afternoon everyone!
Shaune Lee
18:51
Hi, everyone!
Angela Claude
19:06
Howdy y’all
Gilbey Lund
19:12
Hello everyone I am Gilbey from Leicester in England
Jen Wachtel
20:57
Hello from Silver Spring, Maryland
Gilbey Lund
21:30
Hi Tisha I graduated from the museum studies course and currently work at the museums in Leicester
Hannah Powell
22:00
Hi again from Laurel, Maryland!
Katharine Kosin
22:19
Hello again from DC!
Averie Shaughnessy-Comfort
24:19
A snapshot of your career history and accomplishments
Katharine Kosin
24:20
A marketing document
Tracey Neikirk
24:21
An advertisement of your skills.
Alexander Grosby
24:21
Your professional story
Christina Koomen
24:23
A snapshot of who I am as a professional.
Deirdre Araujo
24:25
Reflection of experience and skills/talents
Helen P Ross
24:28
An op to sell myself
Karen Hollywood
24:33
an opportunity to give an overview of your career
Deena Sasser
24:33
Your personal sales pitch of you as a commodity.
Shaune Lee
24:34
A related series of sound bytes of who you are and what you can do.
Jen Wachtel
24:37
a description of your skills and experience
Tamara Schlossenberg
24:37
Summary of relivant job skills and past job accomplishments
Bernice Baker
24:40
A professional commercial
Angela Claude
24:46
something I’m insecure about
Ceanna Van Eaton
24:48
An outdated sales technique
Gilbey Lund
25:24
A document which gives details of your skills and experiences to promote yourself to a potential employer
Joanna Jennings
25:28
My professional personnae
Caroline Smith
30:12
30 seconds
Katharine Kosin
30:13
30 seconds…though I have heard it is more like 6 sec
Alexander Grosby
30:13
30 seconds
Jen Wachtel
30:13
1 minute max
Joanna Castro
30:14
30 sec
Susan Zwerling
30:15
1 minute
Joanne Grant
30:16
30 seconds
Hannah Powell
30:17
30 seconds
Hannah Gaston
30:18
30 seconds
Christina Koomen
30:18
1 minute
Kat Burkhart
30:18
30 seconds
Edson Armando Méndez Albavera
30:19
5 minutes
Jennie Chaplin
30:20
30 seconds
Tracey Neikirk
30:20
30 seconds
Bernice Baker
30:20
1 min
Deena Sasser
30:21
30 seconds
Ceanna Van Eaton
30:21
1 minute maximum
Angela Claude
30:22
30 secs to a minute
Joy Gerber
30:22
30 sec
Joe Young
30:22
30 seconds
Gilbey Lund
30:22
30 seconds
Shaune Lee
30:23
30 seconds to a minute.
Katie Reynolds
30:24
Time? 30 seconds
Lisa Miller
30:24
30 seconds
Tamara Schlossenberg
30:25
30 seconds to a minute
Helen P Ross
30:26
10 sec
Joanna Jennings
30:28
30 seconds to 1 minute
Suzanne Grobbel
30:31
30 seconds
Pierre Guirguis
30:31
1 minute
Katharine Kosin
36:02
What percentage of qualifications do you need to include, if there isn’t room to include your experience with everything and also be within 2 pages/easily scannable?
Hannah Gaston
37:03
What counts as "years of experience"? Do years working as an intern count? What about time working in a part-time job at a museum? Or do years only count as full-time years?
Katharine Kosin
37:46
Thanks
Shaune Lee
38:00
What's your feeling on including relevant experience outside the field in which you're applying?
Ceanna Van Eaton
38:24
How does one get the formal "years of experience" when most positions are hiring with 5+ years of experience and many people can't afford to do internships?
Anonymous
39:26
A part-time job with a paid internship or stipend could be an option.
Katharine Kosin
40:00
Ceanna: That is a common dilemma in museums…often stringing together multiple part-time jobs are the only paid entry level route.
Joanna Jennings
40:04
Why might interviewers compliment my resume, but not invite me for further interviews? Could that be a commentary on a lack of alignment on more of a soft skills level?
Hannah Gaston
40:28
Thanks for answering my question and looking deeper into that "years of experience" issue!
Ceanna Van Eaton
40:51
Thank you, Katharine! And anonymous.
Anonymous
42:45
I know that is not a great solution… another option would be finding a full time job with transferable skills.
Katharine Kosin
43:49
So does “hiring manager” (like for purposes of the person to address a cover letter to) is indeed your future supervisor?
dylan maddox
45:04
will a resume be reviewed and eliminated before the cover letter is reviewed?
Alexander Grosby
45:21
I usually address my cover letter to the hiring board because usually it’ll go through multiple people.
Katharine Kosin
45:31
OK.
Katharine Kosin
45:48
Thanks!
Katharine Kosin
45:52
Summary
Christina Koomen
45:53
Summary
Joanne Grant
45:58
Summary!
Minh-Thu Nguyen
46:00
summary
Joy Gerber
46:00
Summary - objective seems obvious
Pierre Guirguis
46:00
Summary
Lisa Miller
46:00
summary
Helen P Ross
46:01
summary
Bernice Baker
46:02
Summary
Joe Young
46:02
summary
Alexander Grosby
46:03
Depends on the position
Tamara Schlossenberg
46:03
I would say it depends on the position
Jen Wachtel
46:04
neither, most advice I get is those are so outdated
Joanna Castro
46:16
depending on experience
James Burns
46:17
Objective is so 1990s
Shaune Lee
46:19
I think it would depend?
Joanne Grant
46:21
Because your objective is to get the job…that’s a given
Katharine Kosin
46:22
They don’t care about your personal goals, they want to know what you can do for them
Tracey Neikirk
46:27
Lists qualifications
Helen P Ross
46:28
Good way to capture my experience
Anonymous
46:29
I do not include them on my resume.
Jen Wachtel
46:32
not me, just people who give me advice!
Tamara Schlossenberg
53:39
Highlight soft skills
Joanne Grant
53:40
Lots of stereotypical words- not very personalized
Alexander Grosby
53:41
long sentences
Susan Zwerling
53:45
clichés, not specific
Tracey Neikirk
53:45
Active writing
Lisa Miller
53:46
cliches
Shaune Lee
53:46
Someone who works well independently and with a team.
Minh-Thu Nguyen
53:46
very specific language
Hannah Powell
53:49
They all have the same structure
Katharine Kosin
53:50
buzzwords
Helen P Ross
53:53
positive, upbeat, results oriented
Angela Claude
53:53
overachievers
Suzanne Grobbel
53:55
too many buzzwords
Blaire Moskowitz
53:57
Can apply to any job in any field
Joe Young
53:58
Blanket key word list
Alexander Grosby
53:58
too many adjectives
Deena Sasser
53:58
Fairly generic and cliched
Hannah Gaston
54:02
Nothing really specific, buzzwords
Jennie Chaplin
54:07
action
Katie Reynolds
54:19
energetic but too wordy
Ceanna Van Eaton
54:19
Doesn't sound like a person
James Burns
54:33
Since resumes are digital now, can we use a colored background (maybe mauve) with a header that is a different color (maybe teal)? :-) Kidding - but there is a point to be made here that things some folks consider doing to make their resume stand out - can backfire.
Joanna Jennings
54:37
too many adjectives; not enough verbs!
Katharine Kosin
54:42
what do they even do?
James Burns
55:11
Um, I don't ever want to work for an organization that is building itself while it is flying...
Blaire Moskowitz
55:19
Great for jobs in aerospace engineering, lol
James Burns
55:21
Anyone who sees those words in a posting - RUN.
Angela Claude
55:26
Agreed James
Hannah Gaston
55:27
Sounds dangerous!
Joanna Jennings
56:00
resume words that people think hiring managers want to read lol
Anonymous
56:03
So many job postings use “detail-oriented”
Ceanna Van Eaton
56:03
Do people really use the phrase "best of breed"
James Burns
56:19
As a CEO who sees a lot of resumes, unfortunately, YES.
Katharine Kosin
56:20
Anonymous: yeah that is so true
Shaune Lee
56:30
Ceanna, that one threw me too.
Jennie Chaplin
56:41
too funny
Joanne Grant
56:43
:)
Jen Wachtel
57:06
Should we not list attributes like "detail-oriented" even if it's in the job description?
Anonymous
57:16
Right, Jen?!
Alexander Grosby
58:14
what you did in the role that shows “detail-oriented”?
Lisa Miller
58:58
I notice these are verbs instead of adjectives
Katharine Kosin
59:26
2
Alexander Grosby
59:26
2
Tamara Schlossenberg
59:27
2
Averie Shaughnessy-Comfort
59:28
2
Gilbey Lund
59:33
2
Helen P Ross
59:33
3
Pierre Guirguis
59:34
2
Whitney Roberts
59:35
2
Deena Sasser
59:35
2
Angela Claude
59:35
2
Suzanne Grobbel
59:35
2
Bernice Baker
59:36
2
Jen Wachtel
59:36
2
Joanna Castro
59:37
3
Susan Zwerling
59:37
2
Lisa Miller
59:38
2
Hannah Gaston
59:38
2
Blaire Moskowitz
59:38
3
Joanne Grant
59:39
2
Suzanne Grobbel
59:39
2
Shaune Lee
59:39
1 and 2.
Joanna Jennings
59:40
1
Edson Armando Méndez Albavera
59:41
1
Ceanna Van Eaton
59:46
2
Joe Young
59:46
2
Tracey Neikirk
59:47
2
Pierre Guirguis
59:50
Also, 3
Katharine Kosin
59:59
More white space
Elizabeth Beitel
01:00:01
1
Tracey Neikirk
01:00:03
Shorter sentences
Alexander Grosby
01:00:05
If you get beyond 30 seconds, you still don’t have more time.
Joanne Grant
01:00:07
Bullet points are concise, to the point, don’t use “I” in them (#2)
Jen Wachtel
01:00:07
2 because they used bullet points
Angela Claude
01:00:12
2. short, sweet, and to the point
Alexander Grosby
01:00:14
much more time*
Pierre Guirguis
01:00:17
Number is less condensed and easier on the eyes.
Ceanna Van Eaton
01:00:17
2 is more concise and the bullet points separate each of the ideas
Jen Wachtel
01:00:18
1 because they have a better use of header information
Shaune Lee
01:00:18
Short, decisive sentences (1); concise, active bullet points (2).
Minh-Thu Nguyen
01:00:21
How long should your resume be? I've heard it's best to keep it to a single page
Tamara Schlossenberg
01:00:21
The bullets on three are good but they are long. 2 has short easy to scan bullets.
Deena Sasser
01:00:22
2 is concise with short, pointed statements of skills
Gilbey Lund
01:00:29
clear and even to read
Joanna Jennings
01:00:32
1 because I prefer narratives
Alexander Grosby
01:00:33
Give the reader an option to read more if they desire.
Gilbey Lund
01:00:36
easy to read
Hannah Gaston
01:00:37
I like the bullet points in 2 and short sentences. I get lost in the paragraph of 1.
Katharine Kosin
01:00:49
Though the bullet points on number two aren’t accomplishments, so probably shouldn’t be highlighted in bullets
Bernice Baker
01:00:52
bullets easier to visually track
Jen Wachtel
01:00:56
2 seems to be listing the job requirements but not accomplishments
Blaire Moskowitz
01:01:04
Does the format change based on your experience? Ex, an EMP is better with bullets, but someone mid career is better on 3? Etc?
Ceanna Van Eaton
01:01:51
Why is half of 2 in past tense and half in present?
Alexander Grosby
01:02:05
Does bullets cause issues with computer-based hiring systems?
Alexander Grosby
01:02:23
I feel like when it imports, it doesn’t format correctly and that worries me.
Hannah Gaston
01:02:58
Submitting it as a pdf should avoid formatting issues.
Alisa Goetz
01:03:19
Bullets take up a lot more space than paragraph format
Gilbey Lund
01:03:23
How many bullett points maximum yo show experience? I usually have 6 maximum whi
Amy Ritchie
01:03:24
Is it more important to put place of work before title of your job
Katharine Kosin
01:03:24
What is the max number of lines you can have in your job description, if you have a lot of relevant duties?
Katharine Kosin
01:03:43
(Since I understand that bullets should only be accomplishments, not everyday duties)
Gilbey Lund
01:03:58
how many maximum for bullett points as I use 6 bullett points maximum?
Laura Walsh
01:03:59
Good question, Amy
Katharine Kosin
01:04:41
bad
Hannah Gaston
01:04:44
not so good
Jen Wachtel
01:04:45
bad
Helen P Ross
01:04:49
no good
Whitney Roberts
01:04:49
bad
Joanne Grant
01:04:50
Not very descriptive
James Burns
01:04:54
No Bueno.
Tamara Schlossenberg
01:04:56
the concept is good, the example bad
Shaune Lee
01:04:56
Not great; these are very vague.
Lisa Miller
01:04:57
not good- vague
Jen Wachtel
01:04:59
how many school groups??
Suzanne Grobbel
01:05:00
No real context
Edson Armando Méndez Albavera
01:05:03
Good!
Deena Sasser
01:05:05
Not good. Not quantified.
Hannah Gaston
01:05:07
Doesn't give us anything quantifiable.
Gilbey Lund
01:05:11
not clear what achieved and results
Susan Zwerling
01:05:12
impact not clear
Ceanna Van Eaton
01:05:16
Only good if you link it to the job description
Helen P Ross
01:05:25
Much better
Joanna Jennings
01:05:26
Much better!
James Burns
01:05:27
Good - numbers and facts.
Joanne Grant
01:05:32
Yes: more descriptive, quantitative
Whitney Roberts
01:05:32
very nice
Jen Wachtel
01:05:33
good
Hannah Gaston
01:05:35
Numbers are great!
Lisa Miller
01:05:39
better!
Katharine Kosin
01:05:40
better, though often hard to get numbers depending on role
Jen Wachtel
01:05:43
shows teamwork skills with numbers
Shaune Lee
01:05:43
Better; more defined duties
Jennie Chaplin
01:05:43
much better..more descrips
Joanna Jennings
01:05:56
quantifiable
Helen P Ross
01:06:53
numbers are quantitative
Jen Wachtel
01:08:43
yes
Joanne Grant
01:08:45
yes
Lisa Miller
01:08:48
yes
Shaune Lee
01:08:48
Yes.
Ceanna Van Eaton
01:08:49
yes
Alexander Grosby
01:08:54
Oh yeah
Katharine Kosin
01:08:56
Yes, but not of separating out duties/description from accomplishments
Tamara Schlossenberg
01:08:56
There is a lot of more thans
Helen P Ross
01:08:59
Yeah, easy to read, not too bogged down with words
Jennie Chaplin
01:08:59
nice..like numbers
Edson Armando Méndez Albavera
01:09:02
good
Pierre Guirguis
01:09:02
Yes
Blaire Moskowitz
01:09:49
These numbers are large (50 exhibits, 75 publications). What should one do its the quantity sounds for lack of a better term, unimpressive? Two exhibits, 1 publication?
Katharine Kosin
01:10:15
Great question, Blaire! I struggle with this too.
Alexander Grosby
01:10:16
How many artifacts? How many panels?
Tamara Schlossenberg
01:11:10
I put my skills at the top
Jen Wachtel
01:11:33
what should go at the top: summary, skills, or education?
Pierre Guirguis
01:11:38
Within the summary?
Katharine Kosin
01:12:17
Pierre: or list below it
Anonymous
01:12:23
I put skills at the bottom
Pierre Guirguis
01:12:31
Ok. Thanks, Katharine.
Anonymous
01:13:33
Summary is like tldr lol
James Burns
01:14:39
Greg makes me update mine monthly - which has actually turned out to take less time than doing it annually.
Katharine Kosin
01:14:42
A lot of job postings I have seen ask for specific study in college though, so wouldn’t it be include to include majors to show you meet that?
Minh-Thu Nguyen
01:15:12
Katherine - I think that works on a case by case basis. If it's relevant, then I would include it
Christina Koomen
01:15:58
I have also read that you should not put the year you graduated, so as not to call attention to your age.
Christina Koomen
01:16:34
Me too!
Stephanie Carter
01:16:39
What about recent education? I just passed my PhD viva in December? I am interested in academics but also curatorial.
Jennie Chaplin
01:16:42
ditto
Katharine Kosin
01:16:43
But if you interned at a place you are applying for years ago, would you include it to show your connection, or just mention in cover letter?
Tamara Schlossenberg
01:16:44
Lots of jobs I see include in the requirements that you have a masters in museum studies or other relevant subject.
James Burns
01:16:48
Include that, Stephanie.
Shaune Lee
01:16:53
Christina, I'm applying for a job who insists that everyone, regardless of age, has to put all their schooling back to high school. That made me blink a bit.
Ceanna Van Eaton
01:16:55
I graduated undergrad only 3 years ago and I'm over 30, so it's not necessarily indicative of age.
Susan Zwerling
01:16:57
if your resume is chronological and you leave out irrelevant jobs, does the time gap create concern for a hiring manager? Does it look like you weren't employed?
James Burns
01:17:11
I still do - I include the date for my doctorate but not the other degrees. Most recent is fine (until it starts to date you).
Lisa Miller
01:17:56
Any rules about font size?
Joanna Jennings
01:17:58
Is 3 pages okay if it includes CV?
James Burns
01:18:08
Yes, time gaps are a big red flag - unless you thoroughly explain them in your cover letter (but that's assuming seeing the gaps on your resume isn't going to land it into the trash can before they read the cover letter).
Katharine Kosin
01:18:34
No months for dates?
Pierre Guirguis
01:18:41
Question: must one include references on the Resume or will those be a waste of space?
James Burns
01:18:54
Re: font, Greg will generally tell you no smaller than 12 pt. type size - and only serif fonts. I always argue for a readable sans serif and 11 pt. hah
Katie Reynolds
01:18:54
Is “ references upon request” outdated? I don’t like to read that
James Burns
01:19:04
Never use references upon request. 90s
Deena Sasser
01:19:19
How do you avoid ending up being labeled as overqualified without having to hide experiences/education, especially as we try to look for any job in this crazy job market?
James Burns
01:19:26
Resumes - no more than 2 pages. CV's only for academic positions.
Jennie Chaplin
01:19:32
thanks, James
James Burns
01:19:37
And those can be long. My resume is 2 pgs. CV is 28
Jennie Chaplin
01:19:37
so agree
Shaune Lee
01:20:08
And a lot of positions ask you for references up front while you're applying.
James Burns
01:20:16
Katherine - you need months and years at a minimum. You might be able to avoid an actual day.
Katharine Kosin
01:20:31
Or even address I hear…
Katharine Kosin
01:20:46
James: See I heard elsewhere that months are “outdated” but that might just be corporate land
Anonymous
01:20:51
So don’t include address?
Marta Maria Peinador
01:21:00
in Spain is necessary to put a photo Goog to know in USA is not
Kat Burkhart
01:21:14
Professional service? Committees and or board service?
Joanna Jennings
01:21:16
scented paper probably isn’t a best practice either lol
James Burns
01:21:27
Deena - that's both a science and an art. Though it pains me, there are instances where I just don't include my graduate degrees. Or, if I do, I remove ALL references in my application materials to PhD
James Burns
01:21:45
Anonymous - do NOT include address - just email and phone
Jen Wachtel
01:22:04
does personal information include address? sometimes I get invited for in-person interviews because I can demonstrate I am a local
James Burns
01:22:11
I'm trying to help you out, Greg...
Katharine Kosin
01:22:19
Jen: Could always do city and state only
James Burns
01:22:31
Yes - selected professional service, committees and boards VERY important.
Katharine Kosin
01:22:32
Because you don’t want people to know exactly where you live
Tracey Neikirk
01:22:46
Should you craft a basic resume and then make changes as needed for job descriptions?
Pierre Guirguis
01:22:52
James: Does the address count as personal information?
Amanda Smith
01:23:09
Any recommendations for resume review services for our industry?
Stephanie Carter
01:23:26
How do you show you’re available to move for the job if it isn’t in your area? More cover letter?
Marta Maria Peinador
01:24:01
I never send the same CV Just I change the order of different experience areas I have to highlight the most importants to the position
Deena Sasser
01:24:05
I'll repost mine so you don't have to dig: How do you avoid ending up being labeled as overqualified without having to hide experiences/education, especially as we try to look for any job in this crazy job market?
Tracey Neikirk
01:24:40
So, if you have moved, do you mention that you are already in the area or just your new address is okay?
James Burns
01:24:41
Tracey - yes, exactly.
Tamara Schlossenberg
01:24:44
If you are just out of school should you include your major?
Anonymous
01:25:01
I would say, yes, Tamara.
Stephanie Carter
01:25:03
My PhD was museum collections based. for reference.
James Burns
01:25:11
I message both my location and my willingness to move up front in the cover letter - rather than on my resume/CV
Katharine Kosin
01:25:33
If you have man job duties related to the position, how many lines max can your “job description” part include? (versus the accomplishments bullets)
Pierre Guirguis
01:25:47
I have a final question (I apologise as it is not relevant): where will this webinar be available somewhere after it is recorded? I would love to access this webinar after today.
Katharine Kosin
01:25:58
Pierre: they are all recorded and emailed later
Stephanie Carter
01:26:04
James, that’s what I was thinking. I have the ability to move locations and I want someone to understand that if the position isn’t local.
Alexander Grosby
01:26:11
Pierre, Greg emails them out later. Sometimes, it take a few days.
Pierre Guirguis
01:26:26
Thanks, Alexander and Katharine.
James Burns
01:26:42
Katharine - I'd keep it to a couple of lines at most. See what Greg says. You can also message the experience related to major duties in bullets.
Katharine Kosin
01:27:40
Is Tahoma standard?
Hannah Powell
01:27:56
Any advice on how to show multiple jobs at the same institution? (from volunteer to multiple part times?)
James Burns
01:28:32
I always get that backwards. Warning - sans serif fonts are super boring. Greg gave me a list. I only found one that was palatable (Corbel).
Joanna Jennings
01:28:50
Why might interviewers compliment my resume, but not invite me for further interviews? Could this be a commentary on a lack of alignment on more of a soft skills level?
Katharine Kosin
01:29:00
Thanks!
James Burns
01:29:18
Hannah - list those from newest to oldest under one main heading for the organization - saves room. Make sure to include accurate dates for each position
James Burns
01:29:26
Include volunteer & intern positions too.
Hannah Powell
01:29:37
Thank you James!
Katharine Kosin
01:30:20
Oh here’s one: if you are currently in a part-time position while looking for your next full-time one, but you want to emphasize your robust full time one more, is it ok to put that last full time job at the top and the current but lesser job underneath?
Deena Sasser
01:30:30
Due to my spouse I have to move according to his appointments, so I don't always have the availability of applying for museum jobs.
James Burns
01:30:47
Mmmmm I'd be hesitant about that, Katharine.
Tamara Schlossenberg
01:30:54
I think maybe the idea is where someone has been in the field for a short time but held multiple positions, done many tasks
Shaune Lee
01:31:07
That's my situation, Tamara.
Alisa Goetz
01:31:15
All my professional work is over 15 years old. In the meantime I’ve done lots of volunteer work. How do I list it?
James Burns
01:31:44
Alisa - list it just like your paid work. As a hiring manager, it matters to me just as much.
Katharine Kosin
01:31:56
James: but then if they are only spending 30 seconds, I’d hate for them to see a low-paid part-time job more prominently than the one that relates more strongly to my career and the job I’m applying for...
Hannah Gaston
01:32:04
How do you show advances in job positions in the same museum? For instance, from part-time to full-time?
Katharine Kosin
01:32:26
Hannah: I usually do (part-time) next to the part-time positions in those situations
James Burns
01:32:46
Katharine - Is the part-time job unrelated to the field you want to work in?
Alexander Grosby
01:32:46
Thank you Jose!
Amy Ritchie
01:32:46
Should you list your job title first with the organization on the next line or the other way around?
Katharine Kosin
01:32:48
Thanks Jose and Greg!
Deena Sasser
01:32:51
thank you!
Laura Walsh
01:32:54
Thank you!
Shaune Lee
01:32:59
Thank you for your time!
Edson Armando Méndez Albavera
01:33:03
Thank you so much! Great job!
Minh-Thu Nguyen
01:33:06
Thank you!
Whitney Roberts
01:33:07
thank you!
Tamara Schlossenberg
01:33:08
Thank you for your time.
Kat Burkhart
01:33:09
Thank you!
Katharine Kosin
01:33:13
James: it’s a tour guide position, so not totally unrelated to museum education, but a lot less impressive
Joanna Jennings
01:33:15
Thank you, Greg and Jose!
James Burns
01:33:30
Typically, title first, followed by institution.
Tracey Neikirk
01:33:38
Thank you! It has been extremely helpful to this older professional.
Amy Ritchie
01:33:54
Thanks James. That's how I have it, but the demos were different.