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helene rosenberg
29:40
How about Evanston?
Lawrence Kaplan
36:05
morale
Susan Mayer
36:34
Moral and Morale have very different meanings
Lawrence Kaplan
37:04
It's clearly morale
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
37:06
typo
susanspitz
37:22
Only “morale" makes sense in this context
Lawrence Kaplan
38:14
Correct. Perhaps Hebrew does not differentiate? Tova Shimon?
lynnie2
38:41
its kind of a pun
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
38:44
right. no differentiation in heb
Tova Shimon
38:55
the Hebrew word means the spirit of the people
Tova Shimon
39:11
their mood
Elizabeth
39:32
The Hebrew for moral is "musar"
Erica Sokoloff
39:50
So one’s morale should be moral?
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
40:04
I meant in spelling. the word in Heb only means morale. moral is something like לקח or מוסר השכל etc
Lawrence Kaplan
40:29
So MORAL in Hebrew only means morale. For the English word "moral". we have musar, etc.
Sigalit Davis
40:39
IT NEEDED TO BE TRANSLATED AS ETHIC
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
41:15
depends on genl context and/or specific sentence
Lawrence Kaplan
41:44
No. The poem is speaking about undermining the morale.
Elaine Moise
42:10
yes (to Lawrence Kaplan) that's very clear from the text
Sigalit Davis
44:05
yes MORALE
Ezra Korman
44:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0tz243QXDg
Ezra Korman
44:49
Link to clip
Adam Wishkovsky
46:06
The person singing is Shlomo Arzi and next to him ( Left) is Yaffa Yarkoni
Tova Shimon
46:59
when the sound of one word reminds us of another ,there is a connection between them . when we do well we feel well in the case of moral and morale
Lawrence Kaplan
51:12
Except we have no idea where the historic Mount Sinai is. Wherever it is, unlike the Temple Mount, possesses no sanctity.
lauren shachar
56:30
This story is well known in Israel, unlike others that Rachel may share.
Sigalit Davis
01:00:51
It was immoral but do not compare to Holocaust plz. it is very complicated! There was no Holocaust of the Palestinians at any time. No comparison to the Jewish Holocaust In Nazi Germany
Sheri Morrison
01:01:31
She was just referring to the image of the mothers protecting their children with their own bodies.
Sigalit Davis
01:02:00
Sheri - it is only a measure
susanspitz
01:02:07
What she’s describing is absolutely horrifying, regardless of of what you call it.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:02:30
Rachel was speaking about the images of live people under bodies. Didn't imply general comparison.
Sigalit Davis
01:02:49
I don't care honestly. I am super sensitive to this. Inexcusable
Sheri Morrison
01:02:50
Rachel would not compare anything to the Shoah in a broader way.
Sigalit Davis
01:03:18
Not discussing further thank you
Sheri Morrison
01:03:34
Sigalit, I respect your opinion.
Michael Kaftor
01:03:50
THIS IS ISRAEL .. the truth will come out
Lawrence Kaplan
01:04:33
I remember singing this song!
Sigalit Davis
01:04:50
Kfar Kasim also was tremendously, gracefully compensated! they have THE center for SPED in the counrty! all kids going to college with scholarships etc.
Sigalit Davis
01:05:07
thanks SHerri
Karin Adelman
01:05:26
There is no compensation for lives massacred
Gail's iphone4105043416
01:06:22
we sang this song at camp Ramah in the 1960s without a hint of the atrocities that had just been committed. I am horrified
Michael Kaftor
01:06:53
STATE OF ISRAEL AND THE VILLAGE SIGNED A SULCHA AND THEY WERE COMPENSATED TOGETHER WITH AN APPOLOGY
lindajason
01:06:54
Also at Camp Massad in Ontario in 1960
Suzanne Levin
01:07:13
I went there with a Melton Kallah studying Borders and met with town leaders 3 or 4 years ago.
Sigalit Davis
01:07:37
Karin - Tohar HaNesheq is critical and people do stupid thing and pay the price- PLZ stop! Not interested in arguing or making excuses for bad behaviors! The vllage was compensated w apology too.
roy and leora
01:07:58
Also Camp Massad Aleph same year., Tannersville PA. I was 7 y.o.
Jon Tepper in Tucson
01:08:08
also choreographed as a well-known Israeli dance
Lawrence Kaplan
01:08:41
Sigalt" 'Stupid" is the wrong word.
Sigalit Davis
01:09:10
PLZ STOP - Didn't ask you to judge my word choice
ehpressmang@gmail.com
01:09:42
Also sang Mewl Har Sinai at Camp Ramah in CT
Karin Adelman
01:09:58
Sigalit if you do not wish for a response then please don't post. And let's pay attention to our extraordinary teacher instead of filling up the chat with our own opinions.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:10:16
As opposed to your judging others? I don't disagree with your general pint.
Kitty Hoffman
01:10:32
Is a full-time embargo still a ‘curfew’? It seems a sanitized term.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:10:34
Karin: Agreed.
Jon Tepper in Tucson
01:15:00
I think the villagers and field workers did not know that the time of curfew had been moved up, by an order issued that same day.
Sheri Morrison
01:17:12
This is enraging and heart-breaking.
Elaine Moise
01:17:27
agree
Lawrence Kaplan
01:18:19
At least they should have been dishonorably discharged.
Ed Grossman
01:23:53
In genesis, there also was a slaughter of the offending tribe...
Michael Kaftor
01:25:10
Not "infamous" but an "abomination" or "dispeakable"
Tova Shimon
01:33:23
Jacob never forgave his two sons for the "revenge"
Erica Sokoloff
01:34:13
appropriate references as we approach Shavuot
Michael Kaftor
01:40:00
Ever since than and much before it became a law in the US, Israeli military makes it illegal to obey an illegal order .. the decision is on the shoulders of the Israeli soldier
Rhea Dorn
01:41:59
Like during the Vietnam War: the Mei Lai incident.
Michael Kaftor
01:42:34
Correct .. but the Israeli law went into effect much before it became law in the us
Michael Kaftor
01:42:56
In 1961 .. it was already in effect
robertakalmanson
01:44:06
did Israel build the memorial or the arab town?
Lawrence Kaplan
01:44:08
I think the statement of Judge Halevois mor eambifgous than it seems .
lynnie2
01:44:43
this is part of Israel—Ithink
Mj Levison
01:45:41
what isresidents’ relation to the state?
Michal
01:46:01
They are citizens of Israel, like everyone else.
lynnie2
01:46:15
if it’s part of israel they are citizens
Barbara Hollander
01:46:26
how do the residents feel about Israel today?
robertakalmanson
01:47:07
thank YOU!
lynnie2
01:47:16
thank you!
Tova Shimon
01:47:38
Toda Rabba Rachel and All
Rhea Dorn
01:47:39
WOW
Paula J
01:47:54
Thank you Rachel for another fantastic session!
Erica Sokoloff
01:48:04
Thank you for bringing this history to our attention
Galaxy Tab S5e
01:48:32
Arab Israelies make up 22% of Israeli citizenship. How they feel takes more than a chat answer.
Harriet Wolpoff
01:48:42
It's to the glory of Israel that you can do a class like this. Todah rabah.
Paul Corwin
01:51:58
WOW...Rachel, today you challenge everything we thought about Israel as a l”light unto the nations”...as a moral country that learned from concepts of “Never again”...Does that mean “never too us again?”
Tova Shimon
01:54:14
It is to the glory of the J. people that the painful sins that were committed are documented in our book of books our code of law.
Sheri Morrison
01:59:56
Please mute yourself if you’re not the speaker
Sheri Morrison
02:07:31
The moral dilemmas that the soldiers constantly face take emotional and psychological tolls that they need to recover from after they’re done with their service. It’s not unusual for them to take time off for awhile.
lauren shachar
02:08:36
thank you Rachel.
Sheri Morrison
02:09:23
Thank you Kitty.
Lawrence Kaplan
02:13:57
Thanks for a powerful session.
Kitty Hoffman
02:16:05
Thank you Sheri. I think a great deal about these wonderful young Jews whom we are losing in terms of love of Israel. We lose them at that moment of disillusionment, when they come to believe they were lied to. Truth is the light.
Elisabeth Shapiro’s iPad
02:16:51
Kitty...thank you for expressing concern of of how we educate our children and your
Elisabeth Shapiro’s iPad
02:18:17
oops...youth. i am very interested in seeing curriculum and materials that provide the totality of Israeli experience....the positive and negative....and the moral challenges that occur on a daily basis.
Kitty Hoffman
02:21:39
‘the grappling is part of the greatness’ — yes, thank you
stanleykay
02:22:06
Thank you, I’m unprepared for my next zoom class today!
Sigalit Davis
02:30:58
THANK YOU EZRA!
Kitty Hoffman
02:31:22
Thank you rRchel! Kol hakavod!
C tannen
02:31:25
thanks for the wonderful class Lala tov