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ISRAELI PALESTINIAN PEACE SIMULATION - Shared screen with speaker view
Todd Beblow
21:32
Salutations!
Sandra Shatilla
31:18
bravo Noam! The Palestinian Authority is helping Israel maintain the status quo......
Rochelle Cleaver
38:58
No Peace no Land.
Rochelle Cleaver
39:41
Israel has always been willing to trade Peace for Land.
Rev. Fahed Abuakel
40:23
The real question we must ask the Israeli policy makers- when you see 5 Israeli soldiers running after a 10 year old Palestinian child- is that moral? is that ethical? is that what we want as USA Jews or Jews around the world
Sandra Shatilla
40:28
is this a joke...????Israel willing to trade peace for Land?????????????
Ebubechukwu JohnOwen Adimike
41:14
Will Israel trade territorial peace for land too?
Libby Traubman
41:26
Yes, because people beliieve peace is achieved with land and power
Shahira's iPad
41:38
when did israel suggest it will give up land fore peace
Haim Soicher
42:08
So, Israel planned to start the Six Day War for expanding it's territory? Ludicrous!
Karen Chester
42:09
Thank you Rev. Fahed. This is the question absolutely.
Rev. Fahed Abuakel
42:21
the real question to all of us today- that the Palestinian population today between the Jordan River & the Sea 5o% Israeli Jews & 50% Palestinian
Caryn Graves
42:27
Didn't Israel give up the Sinai dessert, for peace with Egypt?
Rochelle Cleaver
42:31
Since the Balfour Declaration gave Israel this land for a Jewish state, what your group wanted is not relevant. This was UN declaration. If your group didn't like that, then don't join that.
Zohar Ianovici
43:11
who gave Balfour the rights to give Israel anything?
Karameh Hawash
43:17
Rochelle..what does the group you refer to want?
Sandra Shatilla
44:04
since when does a Mr. Balfour have the right to give away a country......settler colonialism....!!!!!and a total theft of a country! and just look at what Israel is doing to the indigenous people of Palestine!!!!!!
Rochelle Cleaver
44:25
tHE uN SPEAKF FOR THE wORLD gOVERNMENT.
Edward Corrigan
44:44
In 1956 the United States forced Israel to with draw from the Sinai and brought down the British and French governments. What can we learn from this example.
Shahira's iPad
46:19
how come non of the UN resolutions regarding Israel and Palestine ever been carried out
Sandra Shatilla
47:06
the U.S. dominates at the U>N>.....
Rochelle Cleaver
47:12
tHAT IS CORRect/ I am Jewish and for 82 years I have been discriminated against because I am a Jew.
Rochelle Cleaver
47:25
In the US I mean
Shahira's iPad
47:52
thank you Mr.Chomsky for this honest assessment of US policy
Zohar Ianovici
48:02
Sorry to hear Rochelle. I am jewish Israeli and I saw how non-jews are discriminated against
Caryn Graves
49:49
I think Chomsky is digressing quite a bit from the original topic of Israel/Palestine... So could we perhaps allow participants to ask him questions now (to bring the discussion back to the Israeli Palestinian Confederation)??
Rochelle Cleaver
51:38
War does not make peace. I only makes death and destruction.
Caryn Graves
52:43
What peace deal could possibly be accepted by the bulk of Israelis and Palestinians? (Now THAT would be an interesting- and constructive- discussion...)
Caryn Graves
55:07
Israel's Law of Return for Jews is precisely what makes Israel a Jewish haven (and as a sovereign nation, Israel can set whatever immigration policy it likes).
Rev. Fahed Abuakel
55:26
Agree with Prof Chomsky - if Israel & the USA had little brain & from 1967 to 1977 changed their policy & created a Palestinian State - that would have worked but now after 54 years- No way for a 2 state solution- we need a secular state like the USA constitution
Rochelle Cleaver
55:46
The military in the US, no matter what country they came form, if they fought for the US for a certain number of years, had the right to become US citizens. Same should be with Palestinians.
Galaxy A52s 5G
55:51
I am Rabbi Moshe Yehudai from Israel.
Zohar Ianovici
56:20
@Caryn did you mind when the US imposed a ban on Muslim countries? would you be ok if the US impose a whites-only immigration policy because "it can"?
Caryn Graves
56:22
No way to guarantee the preservation of Israel's Law of Return under "a secular state like the USA constitution"...
Kefah Abukhdeir
56:44
The law of return is at the cost of Palestinian lives
Rochelle Cleaver
57:00
US Constitution is wonderful Trouble is it is not practiced in the US.
Caryn Graves
57:19
Oh- hi Kefa! No- the Law of Return for Jews doesn't come at the expense of Palestinians...
Shahira's iPad
57:31
So did Canada
Galaxy A52s 5G
57:59
I thank Prof. Chomski for his honest message. I totally agree wigh his analysis of the situation in the M E.
Kefah Abukhdeir
58:16
Hello CarynIt absolutely is at our expense- I’ll show you the settlements on my land
Caryn Graves
59:17
Kefah- the Law of Return should only be for within Israel's internationally recognized '67 borders (so it shouldn't have anything to do with the settlements).
Edward Corrigan
59:58
Under Biden the US just abstained on the recent UN Security Council resolution. The opening of a Consulate for Palestinians in Jerusalem by the USA are these actions evidence of cracks in the Democratic Party position on Palestine?
Libby Traubman
01:00:11
This are very critial moral issues that are killing people and the living system too and in the present time things will continue getting worse globally until we understand ALL IS ONE
Kefah Abukhdeir
01:00:14
Caryn it’s 2021Pioneer ism is deadWe have a UN now not empires
Zohar Ianovici
01:00:46
@Caryn, you should consider investigating te view of the previous head of the International Zionist Organization - Avrahm Burg - who claims we should annul the law of return for all Jewish people
Sandra Shatilla
01:01:16
We love you Noam!!!!
Caryn Graves
01:01:40
Kefah- I know we shouldn't have empires (that's why I have such problems with the settlements...)
Kefah Abukhdeir
01:02:23
We shouldn’t have ethno religious states at Palestinians or anyone else’s expense
Karen Chester
01:02:28
Agreed! Not anti-Semite, not self-hating, not anti-American for caring about what these governments do.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:02:28
Yes. I believed that Jerusalem City should be shared by Jews, Palestinians. and Christians. So there should be Palestine Embassy in Jerusalem.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:03:47
I have been so discriminatd in the US, I am m,aking
Caryn Graves
01:03:55
@Zohar- Israel's Law of Return for Jews is the proverbial "hill I will die on"... I don't feel the US should have discriminatory immigration policies (like the "Muslim ban"), but I'm perfectly fine with Israel giving preference to Jews for immigration (so Israel can function as a Jewish haven).
MAK LAW
01:04:03
Mr, Noam Chomsky is the most objective, most humane, most insightful and most astute analyst of world politics including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Shahira's iPad
01:04:13
christian zionists are the main supporters of Israeli policy
Libby Traubman
01:04:15
The change will come from the grassroots, people able to relate to their neighbors making connections as equal humans. Now they are prevented from relating from the powers that be. An enemy is one whose story you have not heard.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:05:49
Mr. Chomsky's conclusions are wrong.
Zohar Ianovici
01:06:54
@Caryn. I appreciate your passion for maintaining the insurance policy for diaspora Jews. I understand your sentiment and where it comes from. I am telling you that, from experience, the policy doesn't serve the purpose you are intending and mainly causes harm to the local population.
Ebubechukwu JohnOwen Adimike
01:07:13
@ Mak Lak you're right
Rev. Fahed Abuakel
01:07:16
Prof Chomsky you are the best of our humanity- unless we see your vision & come to your level of thinking- if we stay in our own tribal mentality then we are going to stay in our violent tribal box
Zohar Ianovici
01:07:20
Chomsy doesn't use the word genocide anymore Nidal… it is very loaded
Shahira's iPad
01:08:18
Nasser gave the Israelis the best present in the world... all Palestinian lands and the golan
Kefah Abukhdeir
01:08:44
@Caryn when and why are Palestinians and their property the remedy for Jewish marginalization by Europe or their national aspirations?
Caryn Graves
01:09:12
@Zohar- there's nothing inherent in the Law of Return that necessarily causes anyone to be harmed by it.
Kefah Abukhdeir
01:09:21
We need to start thinking outside the box to move forward not hunker down in the 19th century
Zohar Ianovici
01:09:48
@Caryn would you support Palestinian law of return? considering the plight was 73 years ago, not 2000?
Ebubechukwu JohnOwen Adimike
01:10:04
@ Kefah, you have a valid proposition there!
Zohar Ianovici
01:11:25
@Caryn there is nothing inherently wrong nationalism either. Yet...
Zohar Ianovici
01:11:36
*with
Shahira's iPad
01:13:05
does anyone see the israeli government or palestinian authority allowing elections for ICP
Caryn Graves
01:13:10
@Zohar- I'm not opposed to some sensible implementation of a Palestinian right of return.
Rev. Fahed Abuakel
01:13:12
our USA policy today is based on 2 goals 1. the security of the state of Israel 2. Oil & protect the gulf brutal kings - so our policy is HELL with billion & 500 million Muslims & Hell with 300 million Arabs- the question how long will that last>
Rochelle Cleaver
01:15:51
Why doesn't Rev. Fahed Abu show his picture on my screen? Is he perhaps a Bot? Or perhaps worse?
Kefah Abukhdeir
01:16:19
Rev Fahed is my church leader
Rochelle Cleaver
01:16:49
Why doesn't he show up on myh screen?
Zohar Ianovici
01:17:10
@Caryn, I am happy to hear. Do you acknowledge the notion that while Israel allows all Jewish people, regardless of their background (rich/ poor, having dual/triple citizenship, patriotic or not) to claim the right of return, it doesn't allow ANY Palestinians, many of them stateless and live in refugee camps, to do the same?
Caryn Graves
01:17:11
Darn, looks like we're out of time... Well, here's what I'd like to suggest, for a peace proposal:A border is drawn (based approximately- but not necessarily exactly, factoring in mutually agreed upon land swaps- on the ’67 lines), demarcating the states of Israel, and Palestine. And any settlers who wind up behind the Palestinian border, are granted an “amnesty” by Palestine (and thus will be permitted to remain in Palestine), in exchange for Israel opening its borders to a comparable number of diaspora Palestinians (and any Palestinians beyond that designated number that are permitted to relocate to Israel, can instead relocate to the new state of Palestine). And there could be variety of citizenship possibilities, for the settlers in Palestine & the Palestinian returnees to Israel (i.e., they each could be given the choice of either having only Palestinian citizenship, or only Israeli citizenship, or dual Israeli-Palestinian citizenship).
Zohar Ianovici
01:17:17
did Amnon just deny the Nakba??
Sandra Shatilla
01:17:22
get rid of this guy please....he is taking over the rest of the time allotted.
Caryn Graves
01:18:10
And after this initial, onetime acceptance of the present settlers by Palestine, and the designated number of Palestinian returnees by Israel (as stipulated by the peace agreement), from then onwards- Israel will retain full control over immigration into Israel (and thus can keep its Law of Return for Jews), and likewise, Palestine will have full control over immigration into Palestine, with every bit as much power to accept or reject whichever prospective immigrants they’d like to (and so by way of such immigration policies, Israel can maintain its Jewish majority & thus secure its Law of Return, and Palestine can maintain a Palestinian majority that will secure an analogous policy favoring Palestinians immigrants. For a state can’t function as a Jewish homeland if diaspora Jews can’t immigrate into the state, and similarly a state can’t function as a Palestinian homeland if diaspora Palestinians can’t immigrate into the state.)
Mohannad
01:18:18
Yours?????
Zohar Ianovici
01:18:26
Amnon... you are WAY WAY off
Sandra Shatilla
01:18:50
fair to both sides?????????
Karameh Hawash
01:18:52
WOW!! This person just denied all of history
Mohannad
01:19:04
There is also NO Palestinians????? please ask this guy to wake up
Zohar Ianovici
01:19:09
"so called Palestinians"??
Kefah Abukhdeir
01:19:10
Does this guy have other issues?
Zohar Ianovici
01:19:27
I am happy to give Amnon a history lesson
Mohannad
01:19:34
Thank you Noam
Ward Makhoul
01:19:51
I am so excited for Chomsky’s reply!
Rochelle Cleaver
01:20:31
Mine is the current Israeli and Palestinian governments, as exists now - two state solution and the IPC - one state solution. This will satisfy those wanting a 2 state solution and those wanting a 1 state solution. If the 2 states cannot find a solution, then the 1 state will.
Sandra Shatilla
01:20:31
thank you Noam.......you're right on! Give it to him....!!!! give him the facts!......make him look like a fool!!!!!
Edward Corrigan
01:21:33
Thank you Professor Chomsky for your reply to Amnon who repeats propaganda or Zionist hasbara.
Zohar Ianovici
01:21:44
@Josef I feel like we need to organize history classes before we discuss solutions
Rochelle Cleaver
01:22:17
As I have learned from Facebook, I don't even bother responding to fools.
Kefah Abukhdeir
01:22:30
If I had a questionMine is:How can we eliminate the presence of bigots in all attempts to make progress?How do we disempower supremacists?
Caryn Graves
01:23:19
Ah well- outta time, gotta go now, bye everyone...
Karen Chester
01:23:23
It is clear that Prof. Chomsky has the historical knowledge behind his words vs. those who do not!
Sandra Shatilla
01:23:45
BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO....NOAM, we love you! You're right right on! You're woke! You're so eloquently truthful....who can dispute ??????
Nerina Cecchin
01:24:02
Thank you for the reality check Prof. Chomsky.
Shahira's iPad
01:24:08
Mr Chomsky thank you
Zohar Ianovici
01:24:15
Thank you professor
Rochelle Cleaver
01:24:17
I am trying to make Peace throughout the World by making friends throughout the world countries, so I try not to respond to distractors or worse terrorists.
Karen Chester
01:24:20
Thank you Prof. Chomsky!
Sherif El Sakkaf
01:24:23
Thank you Thank you
Kefah Abukhdeir
01:24:30
Merci
Ilan Bass
01:24:33
Thank you, Prof. Chomsky
Mohannad
01:24:38
Thank you Prof. Chomsky, God Bless You!
MAK LAW
01:24:40
Thank you Professor Chomsky
Hazem Kawasmi
01:24:44
thank you professor Chomsky. great person
Ron-Ethan Melamed
01:24:44
Thank you so much prof Chomsky
MAK LAW
01:24:46
God bless you
Rasha Sharkia Parmar
01:24:50
Thank you Prof. Chomsky!
Rochelle Cleaver
01:26:04
His knowledge of things that happened is great, but his judgment is not.
Mohannad
01:26:17
Can we stop this guy who is living in the la la land???
Mohannad
01:27:07
he don't even that there is humans called Palestinians, we cannot have peace with such mindset
Libby Traubman
01:27:08
Land, money, power don't make peace,
Libby Traubman
01:27:13
people make peace
Rochelle Cleaver
01:27:45
Yes, for sure. I am in the Tribe of Levites - from Moses.
Shahira's iPad
01:28:47
Ammon is not interested in freedom or human rights for anybody except himself and whoever he supports
Mohannad
01:29:36
Another example..... unfortunitly
Mohannad
01:30:53
Len Bennet, don't cry.... and remember to advertise for your famous book
Zohar Ianovici
01:31:37
Clearly a historian
Karameh Hawash
01:32:20
This just ignores the few million Palestinians who already live there..who cares..they can just be pushed around. .right Len and Amnon?!!
Ron-Ethan Melamed
01:32:36
I'm so tired of hearing these same falsehoods... I was taught them from age 0 and it was so much work to unlearn. Zionism is full of lies.
Zohar Ianovici
01:32:47
Len you are embarrassing yourself and the rest of us. please stop
Shahira's iPad
01:33:51
is this man serious????
Mohannad
01:33:54
Len Bennett has a book titled "Unfinished Work" refers to not killing the rest of Palestinians stayed after Nakba
Ilan Bass
01:37:31
How many people are in Hamas? It’s so tiny
Karameh Hawash
01:37:33
WHAT???? You have to stop this man. He is an Islamophobe who is grasping for anything to justify his supremacy
Ilan Bass
01:38:07
It’s not about blame. It’s about recognising our responsibility.
Shahira's iPad
01:38:17
what is he talking about??
Rev. Fahed Abuakel
01:38:27
Mr. Lee you must be dreaming- the Christians of Europe that killed the Jews & the Arab & Muslims who protected the Jews
Mohannad
01:38:35
Len Bennett why are you here in the peace group???? go buy more weapons and be prepared for the next war!!!!
suha amer
01:38:49
This is a must-see. It sheds light on documents about Israel's history and the reality of its foundation.https://youtu.be/HnZSaKYmP2s
Rochelle Cleaver
01:38:57
When Hamas stops lobbying rockets at Israel there will be no war.
Ilan Bass
01:38:58
You can’t force anyone to make peace. It’s nonsensical
Jasin Omar
01:39:35
I think IPC project idea is not about blaming or justyfing war by historical facts/ its about what can we do today for a better world
Ilan Bass
01:40:49
There are Jews and Muslims in the UK, USA, Europe and Israel itself who live entirely in peace with each other
Josef Avesar
01:41:36
Agreed .
Shahira's iPad
01:42:05
well spoken
Rochelle Cleaver
01:43:07
I am not a t war in US, just discriminated against, cheated out of money is ignored, and no one wants to talk to me. But no physical war. No friends, stealing my money and generally abusaine me - working me to death, etc.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:44:16
No physical danger here in US. just anti-Semitic against me and abusing me.
Karameh Hawash
01:44:56
Rochelle..Sorry to hear. Why do you feel this way? How did being Jewish made you cheated out of money? And how does that play into the occupation of Palestine.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:46:08
Someone said there is peace in US. I am respon ding to that.
Ron-Ethan Melamed
01:46:57
How is this a quick response...
Rochelle Cleaver
01:47:29
For just one example, I deposited $20,000 American dollars in TD bank. Bank will not give me back my money, no monthly statements. Just keep my money and closed my account.,
Ilan Bass
01:47:37
Sadat offered to go to Jerusalem
Libby Traubman
01:50:04
Old views, true or false, keep us from thinking in new ways. Times have changed and it's time to figure out how to live together, as equal human beings.
Mohannad
01:50:22
Thank you Zohar
Mohannad
01:51:49
Strange, now you acknowledge there is "So called" Palestinians Mr. Amnon, how come you want to make peace with "So called" nation????
Shahira's iPad
01:53:42
thank you Josef it was very enlightening
Mohannad
01:54:16
Palestine is not IRAN - if you have a problem with IRAN then go talk to them, we are not responsible for IRAN!!
Rochelle Cleaver
01:54:33
I tried to leave US and went to Newark Airport 2X and then to JFK airports. I had tickets and Ministry of Health in Jerusalem admitkted me as of Octd 22, US would not let me get on plane to visit. US is bad for Jews. Thank God I have a homeland to go to.
Mohannad
01:55:33
Len Bennett - Good advertising for your racist book "Unfinished Work"!!!!
Zohar Ianovici
01:55:56
Too kind!
Zohar Ianovici
01:56:04
please visit Standing together
Mohannad
01:56:07
100% agree Olivia
Ilan Bass
01:56:14
Thanks, everyone. Take care