will someone on the panel please mute that 989 phone that keeps popping up it's terribly distracting

I would like to speak

Robert Kerr would like to speak

I would like to speak,( Kathleen Anderson)

are these application documents/ traffic study, etc available after this meeting for public review?

I would like to speak.

Asphalt fumes are known toxins, EPA states asphalt processing are a major sources of hazardous pollutants such as toluene, formaldehyde, hexane....Exposure may cause cancer

Can the Planning Commission pls explan MI vs M2

I would like to speak

I would like to speak.

Has there been a EPA study from the applicant for the asphalt plant?

I would like to speak regarding the Asphalt plant (Matt Klein)

I would like to speak regarding the asphalt plant pertaining to rezoning

I can't believe tyrone wants industrial business we are a small rural town with dirt roads and beautiful people. is the money really worth putting our town in jeopardy of becoming an eye sore with stench.

they want to allow a industrial plant in all of our views, but they don't want to let this man build a garage.

I would like to speak

let the man build

Curious what the road and traffic impact is. How many raw material trucks in and finished product out per day? What are the proposed traffic routes?

And I'm sure the golf course will love the smell of asphalt processing on a hot summer day.

I happen to like coming home from the cities and being greeted with fresh air and a golf course.

When discussing Asphalt plant, please refer back to the document that was just up regarding zoning and point #1 about odor and nuisance. Granted, this is in reference to residential but should be valid point on M2 zoning as well

Most of us moved to Tyrone Township for the peace and natural smells of the countryside. The ZF plant is relatively quiet and does not emit odors. What will be the hours of operation for this plant, the noise level in decimals, the odor emitted, and how would waste disposal be handled? What are the warehouses for? There are plenty of empty warehouses throughout the county and state that will remain that way for years!

looks like they still want to backdoor the plant still with m1 zoning

Is this the same Capital Asphalt that has a facility in Lansing?

https://sites.google.com/site/kundaparkneighbours/web-sites-against-asphalt-plants

Gary - yes it is

Is there a map that has been posted that shows the proposed layout?

How much money do you want the property?

is this guy kidding me it was hell and back to find a house in this area...

He's concerned or using the REU's as an argument towards approval. The detriment of this on our environment, residential property value, quality of life, pollution to surrounding lakes and residents is a major concern

will these buffers hold back the smell?

rezoning this to heavy industrial is not an obligation of the township

How far does the smell travel from an asphalt plant?You can smell the dump at 23 and Grand Blanc from miles away.

the Chair mentioned he received several communications regarding this project. Will the Chair acknowledge how many communications and by whom?

ah yes I can hear highway traffic 2.5 miles away from so i'm sure this idea will add more noise pollution to the mix

Farming is the proper use for the property. The master plan should be revised to not allow industries that will pollute the air and water.

how much is the property worth

I'll be explaining environmental impacts when I speak,

only people that benefit are the ones that don't have to live next to it.

Exactly! Karian is spot on. 20 acre buffer? So any speaking in favor of would feel comfortable living within this range? I think not.

do these people even live in tyrone or near the area?

of course they dont

why should they dictate an area they don't even live in our near

Phase 2?

this is absolutely horrid

I highly doubt it. need to talk to people who live close to the one in Lansing.

These farm fields have 1000s of geese that visit each year. It should be a waterfowl migratory route nature preserve.

yes. because these "buffer" trees will make a huge difference 🙄

also a lot of native plants located on the side of the road around this area

why is this meeting limited to 100 people? MANY OTHERS ARE ATTEMPTING TO LOG ON AND PASS THEIR OPINIONS AGAINST THIS!!!

If the plant owner will build a house on the property and live there for the duration of plant operations....

Like someone already said for residential. same should apply for fumes air quality etc when close to residential

Operation hours?Traffic flow?Depth of water table?

I feel nothing should move forward or be considered without a secondary meeting that allows for more than 100 people.

no one talks about east side of hwy. and people on center road and runyan. discharge fumes

How do you think those wet lands are going to be effected by all of this

I hope tyrone township does the required steps to increase zoom attendance levels - so the future meetings are not restricted to 100 people.

The wetlands will be polluted.

they want that man's pole barn to benefit all of his neighbors.. but what does this plant does this do for any of us. he cant build a 2 car garage near his home, but you want to build a asphalt plant near all of our homes.. makes sense.

Is this a gas fired or oil fired HMA plant?

it will can be permitted for natural gas, different oils and recycled used oil.

picture when us23 gets shut down for an accident how that will work on old 23

I don't care how many acres we don't want this

Runyan Lake already has negative effects from run off from Consumers Energy. How will we be guaranteed our community lakes will not be effected, along with the toxic fumes effecting farm land and animals. It WILL BE

whatvis happening to tyrone...please dont get bought out by this ugly site...were suppose to bring people in not a warehouse...

So oils and recycled oil are not potential hazardous waste?

yeah but they are asphalt semi trucks going in and out of facility correct

@veronica!! I was just thinking about this. Our two lane highway can hardly handle the amount we have during peak times now.

How many gravel trucks in?

do any of these board members live near this potential asphalt site?

was also thinking about that too

The township hall is really close…

Taken from the Township's website..."Today, the township is a picturesque rural community with rolling hills blended with lakes, golf courses and open spaces. The census population of Tyrone Township for 2010 was 10,020 citizens." I don't believe an asphalt plant is consistent with a "picturesque rural community"

Is this document available for public inspection / review?

finally a good question from one of the members

exactly Derek

We have industrial sprawl in Flint. Why destroy another farm field?

i lost the ability to hear meeting...

How many tons per year produced?

what about the noise

Would this guy build a house and live on site?

What is the proposed output of the plant? Are the air samples taken from the stack or through a calculation?

He needs to be asked that question

State air quality levels are different from daily odors.

Air Quality and smell are two diferent things

so put them together and get a nice sound of industry

How many semis per day coming in and out?

How is water quality going to be handle on this site

I'm a truck driver this guy is selling snake oil

yes ^

Asphalt plants are know to produce TOXIC air pollutants, Benzene, Formaldehyde and Cadmium that may cause cancer, central nervous system problems, liver Damage, respiratory problems and skin irritation

omg! that is A LOT of truck traffic!!!!!!!

they will also tear up that intersecrion

How do raw materials get there?

trucks, Garu

Mr Sawyer is a good politician - not answering the number of trucks per day!

Jim, the toxic pollutants is my biggest concern

1. Have water use studies been completed, including analysis of potential process water discharge and stormwater runoff? I am interested to know whether the current wastewater treatment facility that would handle process waters have sufficient capacity and filtration/contaminant capture technologies to sufficiently treat the water. Also, are there sufficient planned wastewater runoff capture scenarios planned to mitigate contamination of surrounding wells and surface waters.2. Have point source air dispersion or receiver/receptor based models been run so as to pre-emptively determine average and worst-case concentrations of airborne contaminants? Processing techniques are relatively standard, so this type of modeling should allow for decent community-based risk assessments using various health based outcomes given emissions typical to the proposed processing facility.

Has anyone ever heard of Love Canal New YorK?

How many trucks in and out?

So that is 50 trucks a day? Plus other trucks bringing in material and disposal as well?

and trucks bringing empty trailers for stand by

How many people would be employed at this site?

Who is going to repair Old 23 from this plant's traffic?

Ask him how many tons per hour the drum plant is rated for. He is only talking about his crews, but he will be selling to other smaller pavers as well. Most plants in this area produce 4,000 tons per day.

8 trucks an hour because there are trucks in and out

exactly, closer to 50

what is the plant capacity running 100%

they will be running more then 1 job a day..

The EPA states Asphalt processing facilities are major sources of hazardous air pollutants.

Do the raw materails just magically appear there?

what is the rated capacity of the plant in tons per hour?

his permit in lansing is permitted for 895,000 tons per year.

One Truck a day is TOO Many

i have a well. only across the hwy on on the east..23 runyan lake.. my drinking water and air quality at stake...the only reason they want a 2nd business is to grow the business

Will they be recycling asphalt on site?

wait for the lawsuits Rose makes a valid point about drinking water

so they will only get on the express way?

yes there will be a large stockpile of recycled asphalt pavement. that is used back in the mix at up to 50% of the mix on a monthly basis. This is a standard permit for the State of Michigan

How are fugitive emissions from the movement of the asphalt on belts, trucks, etc. measured?

More concerned about the pollutants air quality and noise

what is the plant's rated capacity in tons per hour?

What about asphalt tailing that drop off the trucks on the road? I've been behind lowboys and they drop stuff for miles.

There also will be asphalt tar trails from the plant to the entrance ramps.

mute your mics everyone. it's not our turn

2,500T max output per day so 50 trucks in and out for raw material and final product (100 trucks total). But typical production would be 1000-1500 or 20-30 trucks. These aren't cruising on the expressway, they are accelerating and will be louder.

Who is going to pay for the local Road deterioration. The state can't get it right now let alone all those trucks in our area

tyrone needs bike trails parks..dog parks.. healthy family activities

very good questions, thank you Melissa

the toxins grab dust and it settles. rain washes it into our ground water and we drink it in our wells. sounds like the sequel to Erin brocovich

Ground saturation sounds like the Berlin and Farro catastrophe in Swartz Creek, MI years ago

Melissa hit they nail on the head with the ground water concerns

great questions, well done!!!! @mellissa Lyn Millerick May THANK YOU!

What the Federal Government say about Asphalt plants now that we are moving towards a green enviornment

oops! I apologize. I've been trying to log-in to the meeting for quite a while. Didn't realize public questions/commentary hadn't started yet.....

And this is Phase 1. They already mentioned a Phase 2

I’m directly across the street. Thank you for asking about smell

smell and air quality is 2 different things!

Does environmental air quality = odors?

You can smell 1 dead skunk for more than a mile.

Federal regulation of Asphalt plant emissions is inadequate to protect public health.

Does Jon Sawyer or anyone in his family live close to one of his asphalt plants?

We saw how well federal regulation handled PFAs!

989 number, mute your mic

Asphalt plants are vented. It WILL smell!

oh great I can a huge stack from my house....

Typically we would require modeling prior to issuing permits. These types of facilities have characteristic emissions and as there are proposed building diagrams already created, it's easy to run the suggested models using temperature/pressure/weather conditions to be able to determine ground-level concentrations.

those 8 axels trailers will tear up the intersection,, is he paying for repairs

baghouse does not reduce odors. Only filters particulate!!

Great. A +100 foot stack to be seen for miles

Same can be done for wastewater.

and stormwater

Very concerned about the chemicals and what they will do to us and the land. There is still a lot of property in this area that is farmed.

LIES

This guy is lying through his teeth

baghouse does not reduce odors. Only filters particulate!!

i should beable to sit in my back yard and not worry about...air quality..smell..run off...

those stack pollutants will be coming in the lakes and green spaces

When mixing heights are low - overnight and mornings, vertical dispersion is limited = odors.

what are the parts per million escaping the burn off

that's because they're already dead

Stacks go up high to allow pollution to dilute while it settles. Does not address concerns of the public.

baghouse does not reduce odors. Only filters particulate!!

Mr Sawyer I am going to come up to your Lansing plant and see if it stinks

Is that man supposed to work with asphalt? this is insanity.

the prevailing winds blow down hill in that area following the xway

because the complaints don't make it to him

Plant in lansing doesn't have similar surrounding communities/residential areas.

HEAVY industrial location not like here AT ALL

Lansing Plant via google maps.. https://www.google.com/maps/place/3888+S+Canal+Rd,+Lansing,+MI+48917/@42.6934827,-84.667427,1889m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8822bef16428753f:0x778445555becd1d3!8m2!3d42.6943072!4d-84.6631551

The lansing plant is in a heavy industrial area with 1 house is a half mile south of the plant and 10 houses within a mile. We will have 15 houses within a half mile and over 70 within a mile.

@ Melissa May - exactly right about lansing location plant!! this does not belong in our community !

Our area doesn't fit . Find another industrial area

we are NOT heavy industrial. we beg of you not to make it that way

every asphalt plant that I am aware of is located in a city area with sewer and water services, not in the country with ground water wells being the prevailing source of potable water for the community.

WE DO NOT NEED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IN SUCH A SMALL COMMUNITY!!!! I CAN'T SEE HOW THIS WILL BENEFIT ANY RESIDENTS

It's all about tax dollars

we're not Saginaw

the trucks going to trw have to make wide turns at center rd, some times cars have to move for them

will more of his tenants bring in more heavy industrial

correct! they are in a heavy industrial area in Lansing...that was cited well by the township down there.

i grew up in saginaw..

thats why i left

There are already many many empty warehouses around! Why build more?

scummy happens when this is allowed

Right what are going in these warehouses

Unspecified M2 use is opening pandora box.There is a high demand for residential in this area. Look at the housing market. Nearly impossible to buy right now.Return on investment will not be there• Everyone is ignoring the golf course to the south and the half million dollar homes down the road• Wetlands are present in the lot directly to the west!• No M2 zoning currently heavy Industrial• Adverse effect in property value• Adverse effect in golf course use• Your meeting maxed out with the public opposed to this

What is the asphalt fume output at mg/cubic meter?It is a number and you should be able to tell us what iti is.

take the asphalt plant to Saginaw this rezoning to M1 or M2 does NOT belong in here.

please do

well bye bye then

tske it down the road

we don’t appreciate your package

let this guy take his business somewhere else

this is so outrageous I really don't even have the words to describe it

Will you be doing asphalt recycling on site?

The question is on the rezoning. Page 99-100 of the Future Plan defines the future use as light industrial. M1 and M2 is not part of the Future Land Use Plan.

There's a reason that this is being brought up in February when the Lansing Plant is not running.....there should be time to evaluate the odor in other locations (and not in manufacturing only areas...i.e. Lansing)

Find an Industrial area. Not our TWP

the 1st attny spoke about a paving business comingbin

So more truck traffic in and out!

This is heavy industrial not light

I find it hard to believe they won't be running 24 hrs a day when much of the asphalt paving occurs during night hours when traffic is minimal...

The Master Plan already accounts for PICO which covers most of the warehouses and 10 acre parcels Dan Callan discussed at the beginning. No need to rezone to M1 or M2.

Will they have on site fire protection or are they going to rely on the Fenton / Hartland Volunteer?

So, it wouldn’t even bring jobs!

anyone see horrible car accidents on our roads

Many MDOT jobs REQUIRE night work so how can Jon say they will operate only during daylight hours?

and he caught himself from saying fumes

Baghouses don't control for VOCs

NOT TRUE

At what micron level?

Many MDOT jobs REQUIRE night work so how can Jon say they will operate only during daylight hours?

how many outside trucks will be coming in for material waste and supplies and asphalt. Like Dan's Excavating

Commissioners, I lived 8 miles from a plant and could smell it. On behalf of the hundreds that have logged in, do not let this plant go in.

WOW! This mans lack of knowledge is terrifying.

There is heavy wind in this area

What time will John load his first truck in the morning??

Where does the gravel pile and sand pile come from and how many trucks to bring it in?

now a sand pile? where do the dust particles go? lakes, lungs,

100 ft stacks push PM high enough that there will not settle onto vehicles in the building yard

I can't believe that our twp planning commissions would actually entertain the possibility of such a development. This is an absolutely terrible idea. It would produce foul odors in a large radius of land and it would only be a matter of time before plumes of toxic chemicals would contaminate ground water. That is in addition to the terrible traffic from huge heavy trucks that would destroy the roads.

THIS GUY IS LYING. IM FROM NEW JERSEY I KNOW WHAT POLLUTION THIS WILL BRING TO FENTON

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2001-110/pdfs/2001-110.pdf

that’s a 20 year old study

https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/18774-understand-the-hazards-of-asphalt

Hot Mix Asphalt needs to get to the job site at approximately 7:00am so that means Jon will need to start his plant at least by 5:00 am on a daily basis

"The complex chemical composition of asphalt makes it difficult to identify the specific component(s) responsible for adverse health effects observed in exposed workers.  Known carcinogens have been found in asphalt fumes generated  at  worksites. Observations of acute irritation in workers from airborne and dermal  exposures to asphalt fumes and aerosols and the potential for chronic health effects, including  cancer, warrant continued diligence  in the  control of  exposures."  (Foreward Pg. iii)https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2001-110/pdfs/2001-110.pdf

https://www.osha.gov/archive/oshinfo/priorities/asphalt.html

It will decrease property value in the area, not to mention the golf courses...

we all deserve to speak

Need to find others that live next asphalt plants for feedback.

Hot Mix Asphalt needs to get to the job site at approximately 7:00am so that means Jon will need to start his plant at least by 5:00 am on a daily basis

I can’t imagine that anyone thinks this is a good idea.

https://www.bredl.org/pdf/BeSafe_Asphalt.pdf

send them packing and you won’t have to hear it

remember only 100 people can be on..not everyone will be part of what was said or not

They should know that if we all have the same concerns, you should want to know. There is a large number of us opposed. The PC should know

Can you remind everyone to stay on mute when they are not called to talk so we can hear everything

they've had plenty of time to speak - please allow the public to speak.

as he coughs.

supposed to be our time

exalt you work for the guy...

would you live next to the plant and be honest

so the man who was supposed to speak just handed it off to another?

Do you think they are going to bite the hand that feeds them????!!!

how is the air quality monitored specifically???

we are not a heavy industrial community!!!!!

Do they have continuous air quality monitoring?

ow is the air quality monitored specifically???

Odor not monitored -Imagine that!

Sir, I would like to know, how is your health?

2 hours and we're not to public comment yet? Seriously??

THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT LOCATION

does this fella get a timer to talk too ?

Can he be more specific as to what and how it's measured?

What are the parts in place that Ryan says monitor air quality???

the best is for it not to be rezoned and be here

When mixing heights are low, VOCs are held close to ground level, this is when you get odor - threshold typically well below regulated limits for individual VOCs (HAPs).

"claim"

They claim??? Who claims??? Where is the data??

They cannot monitor fugitive emissions, only what is coming from the stack!!

grilled meats never killed

So, they can meet permitted limits, and odors can still be present.

Finally some truth.

Give her 6 min

Nice Job Julie Snurka!

Julie!

These guys are painting a pretty picture now, monitoring a stack 100’ in the air and what’s being expelled are two different things. If the plant manager wants production then the report can be anything reported by whomever is reporting it.

t

and clarkston

I agree! Finally some truth! Thanks Julie!

she rocked! thank you

Thanks for the truth Julie!

yhank you Julie

We would like to speak

Thank you Julie

Thank you Julie

Can the next person give their 3minutes to Kathleen?

jon sawyer please MUTE YOUR MIC.

Thanks Kathleen!

give my 3 minutes to kathleen

Please give my three minutes to Kathleen too!

Me to if they get to me

Ever try to frive past the old gravel pit when the trucks were lined up

We definitely don't need this type of business here, they aren't even providing jobs for our area.

I'd like to talk

I'd like to talk

it’s zoned as fr farming residential

Currently Zoned as Farming and Residential

Currently the property is Farming Residential they want to change it to M1/M2

There is one part of the proposed parcel that is currently M1 but the majority are FR.

When is the approval or denial going to happen?

Is the township recording this meeting?

What is the proposed lifespan of the plant and what is the reclamation plan?Where is the ISO Risk Assessment for the 5 plant categories?

When is the approval or denial going to happen?

I would like to speak

Ill move too

I'll be looking for a home farther north as well

I didn’t realize that I didn’t send this to everyone I would like to speak mary harrold

THIS GUY! THANK YOU

totally agree

Do real estate agents have a legal obligation to share this information with prospective home / property purchasers?

thank you Mary

Briefly yes here

Daniel can I have a few minutes

very good point mary

give Kathleen my 3 minutes

I voted for you Dan remember that😂

I’d like to speak- John Dickie

I think Dan knows the right thing to do and this is just process

We need another phase 1 meeting to allow more than 100 people!

preach Garyyyyy

I think everyone agrees with Gary

proud to be that guys neighbor

thank you Gary

More money is made by selling industrial land vs residential land.

thank you Gary! we are your neighbors on Mabley Hill!

Just do a google search of gaseous emissions from asphalt plants and the health impacts. That does not even address the noise generated by the gravel mixing and the continuous flow of huge trucks in and out of the facility. I have yet to hear one citizen who supports this plant. I hope that the commission is listening.

can I get three more minutes

I would like to speak

Sean / Taylor...Did you switch over to Waste Management since Dougies won't pick up any more?

I would

we will consider moving as well

How much do you think you will lose when they smell asphalt?

was their traffic study from 2012?

Formosa plastics in texas was busted on wide scale for faking EPA samples. what makes us think it can be done here.

dan I want to address that guy comparing an asphalt plant to a burger king...

How will public input to the new master plan be received?

good point on trucks coming from all directions. could see trucks coming up larson road in Howell and travelling east on clyde, fausset, etc to old 23. huge impact beyond Tyrone Twp.

Can you please update on the next meeting?

Latson rd

Thank you for listening Steve

Thank you!!!!

yes!!!

Thanks Steve!

Thank you r Krause

Thanks Steve, helps with my decision I need to make!!

Steve you're the real Goat!

Thank you Steve.

thank you steve !! AMEN!

Mic drop

thank you

thank you steve!!!!

awesome steve

thank you Steve!

Also I'm glad to hear our board are residents

Thank you Steve!!

I hope all of the board members are listening

Thanks Steve

Thank you Steve!

reppin' the residents!

Steve 2024!!!

Thank you for your time and for all you do for this community!

Thank you Steve, you will be remembered. John Dickie

Mr. Sawyer the residents do not think that way.

Thank you Mr. Sawyer

spoken like a true capitalists

not safe with him around

Thanks Council