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Southcentral Alaska Avalanche Workshop - Shared screen with speaker view
Sage Hildreth
30:18
riley gasque and sage hildreth are on the same computer
Gabriel Wolken
33:09
yes
Aleph - CNFAIC
33:33
Hello please ask your questions here in the Chat box. I will then read them to the presenters after the presentation. Remember the chat is also recorded. Please be professional and respectful of all presenters and attendees. Thanks for joining us today.
Melis Coady - AAS
35:27
Hi all- I will be texting 2 min warnings near the end of presentations (in the email I said Aleph would be it’s on me).
JOSEPH KURTAK
45:11
have you ever lost a drone?
Katreen - DGGS
46:03
Not yet! But we've been nervous a few times.
Eeva Latosuo
50:56
What is AELP’s tech budget? How would you prioritize tools/their cost for other operations?
Blaine Smith
51:50
Thanks Mike! Are there plans to correlate last winters weather patterns and connect other patterns with future and different patterns? Maybe already answered while I was typing.
Ralph Baldwin
52:08
How do you see ongoing financial support from the spectrum of sources? Public (State) and private (Utilities)
Gabriel Wolken
52:42
How much would you cost would you place on each DaisyBell report?
Sam Roche
53:28
Would you describe these tools as more in development or are they making a real impact on your day-to-day operations/forecasts already?
Gabriel Wolken
59:17
Need to choose the other monitor.
Aleph - CNFAIC
01:00:31
Hey remember if you answer questions reply to all attendees and panelists!
Mike Janes - AELP
01:03:01
The Daisybell is owned by the State of Alaska because all of the Snettisham related things are technically owned by the State but maintained/operated by AEL&P
Patrick Henry
01:03:29
is it possible to watch the recording
Mike Janes - AELP
01:04:42
The Daisybell is owned by the State of Alaska because all of the Snettisham related things are technically owned by the State but maintained/operated by AEL&P.
Aleph - CNFAIC
01:04:49
Yes we will post after
Mike Janes - AELP
01:06:49
We usually do local fieldwork around town until we feel the need to do fieldwork or control work down at Snettisham. We typically do 8-16 field visits/missions a winter down near Snettisham.
Lee House
01:11:39
For Dan: How do we find out more about the seminars you referenced AAA is hosting?
Dan Kaveney - A3
01:18:58
In terms of the seminars, I send email out to A3 members with the topics, times, and log-in credentials for all of the seminars. We don’t really RESTRICT them to A3 members, but we only market them internally.
Dan Kaveney - A3
01:20:18
In terms of the seminars, I send email out to A3 members with the topics, times, and log-in credentials for all of the seminars. We don’t really RESTRICT them to A3 members, but we only market them internally.
Dan Kaveney - A3
01:21:43
In terms of the PIEPS situation question, I think this email I recently sent to all our members sums it up pretty nicely, “Dear A3 Members,You may be aware that there has been substantial activity on social media and other platforms regarding the PIEPS DSP Pro and PIEPS DSP Sport transceivers. The most objective independent report about the situation that I've been able to find can be found on Avalanche Beacon Reviews (https://beaconreviews.com/Specs_PiepsDSP_switch.php). I suggest taking a look at this site before taking any action based on social media posts you may have seen.If you have any concerns about the safety of a PIEPS/Black Diamond beacon that you own, please contact them directly at dsp@pieps.com.
Kakiko RAMOS-LEON
01:23:53
Hi Dan, my question is, what strategy is the AAA using to include more people of color into the Avalanche Education field?
JOSEPH KURTAK
01:27:03
The switch on my pieps cracked a couple years back. BC replaced it in a timely manner with an updated version.
Eric Roberts
01:29:05
Laura, in your opinion, do you feel the voice of progressive (vs traditional) Snow Science Professionals are being heard more than years past?…and how long do you estimate it would take for the progressive mindset be fully integrated into Avalanche forecasting, centers, and education? Challenges of integration?
Dan Kaveney - A3
01:35:38
In terms of women and people of color. We’re interested in avalanche education as well as other professional fields, such as forecasting, ski patrolling, road/industrial safety, etc. We recently conducted a pretty exhaustive survey of the avalanche industry, and to nobody’s surprise discovered that both the industry and our organization is largely male and white. Interestingly, even though women make up a small proportion of avalanche workers and A3 members, many of the leaders in the field are women. We’re hoping that making outreach efforts through women who are already members of A3 and policing ourselves to make sure we are very welcoming will help build the numbers. People of color are more challenging for us because there’s not an obvious reservoir of people already involved with avalanches (we recruit members from people who are already skiers/snowmobilers, etc )that we can make welcome. We’re still working on a good, specific, and actionable strategy here, but the issue is high on the priority list.
Eeva Latosuo
01:40:36
Since forecasting improves as distributed activity/collaborative effort, how can team members align their mental models with each other most efficiently?
Eeva Latosuo
01:48:56
Thanks for a great talk, Laura!
Hoots Witsoe - Cordova
01:49:01
boils down to communication, with your peers and yourself.
Mike Janes - AELP
01:49:47
Thanks, Laura! This is really great stuff!
Laura Maguire - OSU
01:51:31
Hi Eric, great questions. I think things are changing. One of the things that makes me optimistic about this is often those who are in charge of developing safety protocols have been boots on the ground practitioners in the past so they can appreciate that oversimplifications about complex work settings are not helpful for preventing future incidents.
Brian Davies
01:52:23
Thank you Laura, Awesome talk I would like to share this talk with my team!
Aleph - CNFAIC
01:53:08
All the talks will be posted to share after the event.
Laura Maguire - OSU
01:54:21
It definitely takes time to change the thinking though. A small, but significant way to change the thinking is to commit to being curious about what made sense to someone to have made the decision or action they did at that moment in time.
Eric Roberts
01:55:39
Thanks Laura, great talk!
Laura Maguire - OSU
01:55:40
Hey Hoots, communication is certainly fundamental and there are ways we can structure the kinds of conversations that get had and the extent of the information that gets shared in those groups.
Laura Maguire - OSU
01:56:51
If you are keen to learn more drop me an email and I’ll send you the first version of the Field Guide to Understanding Human Error. It’s very accessible and you’ll be able to read it in a week!
Melis Coady - AAS
01:58:19
Kyle made a AK weather resources cheat sheet for participants, here is the link: https://akavalancheworkshop.files.wordpress.com/2020/11/saaw-2020-weather-links.pdf
Hoots Witsoe - Cordova
01:58:50
Thanks Laura, I am very interested in this subject.
Laura Maguire - OSU
01:58:53
Oof, huge apologies to Mike Janes who I repeatedly called James! That’s the result of misperception and divided attention! :)
Lee House
01:59:38
Laura could you repost your contact for the first version of the book
Laura Maguire - OSU
01:59:54
Maguire.81@osu.edu
Peter Nave
02:03:51
Is the graphical forecast on the NWS site forecaster enhanced or old model driven?
JOSEPH KURTAK
02:07:28
what do the different colors on the radar map represent.
Hoots Witsoe - Cordova
02:09:56
Kyle, do you think model confidence has changed with "climate chaos"?
Gary Kuehn
02:10:44
kyle. great job
Malcolm Herstand
02:11:53
Thanks for the good news :)
Danielle Snyder
02:12:13
When was the last strong la Nina year?
Eeva Latosuo
02:12:19
Kyle - what is your take on the impact of MJO up in Alaska?
Tim Thomas
02:13:31
Thanks Kyle for all the rad info!
Hoots Witsoe - Cordova
02:13:45
Kyle, how does the PDO fit in with La Nina?
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:15:30
To Peter Nave: I'm not sure what you mean by old model driven. The NWS graphical forecast comes directly from the official NWS forecast database that is updated several times a day
Peter Nave
02:15:58
Sorry. ‘Only’ model driven vs forecaster enhanced
Peter Nave
02:16:03
thanks
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:18:39
To Joseph Kurtak: On the radar map the colors represent radar intensity (dBZ). Generally precipitation intensity
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:19:16
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5ef0561d0422aff0ccfc9fb60a3c1b15
JOSEPH KURTAK
02:19:37
Cooler to warmer colors low to high precip??
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:19:44
Correct
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:21:50
to Hoots: tough to say, I think it doesn't help but models are getting better each year so I think the increase in technology is overcoming that
Melis Coady - AAS
02:22:20
EARAC (Eastern AK Range Avy Center) is missing from the group today - you can find them at https://alaskasnow.org/
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:23:13
To Danielle Snyder: Last moderate or greater La Nina year was the epic winter of 2011/2012
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:24:32
I don't have much knowledge of how the PDO or MJO impacts AK weather, though I know the correlations are weaker than ENSO
Bill Glude
02:24:41
Hey Kyle, do you have an updated link for the JAWS vertical profiler in Juneau? It was great for estimating snow level by vertical speed, and I can’t get the local office to respond on where to find it now. Thanks!
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:26:50
to Bill: let me take a look
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:28:41
Bill: JAWS link here: https://www.weather.gov/ajk/JAWS Looks like the profiler is down
Kyle Van Peursem - NWS
02:28:53
I can inquire further
Bill Glude
02:30:05
Thanks!
Tim Thomas
02:31:15
Howdy Gareth, nice to see ya. Keep up the good work!
Eeva Latosuo
02:32:00
Gareth: can you post Valdez avalanche center website here?
Aleph - CNFAIC
02:34:02
Eeva -Valdez avalanche center is at alaskasnow.org
Gareth Brown-Valdez
02:38:23
Thanks Aleph
Emily Nauman
02:44:11
Coastal Alaska Avalanche Center (Out of Juneau):https://www.coastalakavalanche.org/https://www.facebook.com/CoastalAlaskaAvalancheCenter/https://www.instagram.com/coastalalaskaavalanchecenter/
Aleph - CNFAIC
02:44:34
I am not sure about this. I will try to figure this out before the end of the event.
Aleph - CNFAIC
02:48:17
We can post a PDF of the links on the SAAW website when we posted the video of the event.
Melis Coady - AAS
02:50:42
Filipe- great idea, I’ll save the chat. Not sure I can distribute it to all but contact Alaska Avalanche School if you want it: info@alaskaavalanche.org, we’ll keep a copy.
Tim Thomas
02:52:23
Mike, let’s sled from Haines to Valdez!
Matthew McDonald
02:56:49
Can Mike Buck add these checklists to the chat window so we can download them?
Melis Coady - AAS
02:58:47
We can add it to the resources page of the AAS website on Monday (www.alaskaavalanche.org) Doubt Mike has a web ready link…just guessing ;)
Melis Coady - AAS
03:01:23
Wish Zoom had a better screen capture platform like other apps. I love screen shots of people’s slides!
Bill Glude
03:05:19
Great checklists and key points, Mike!
Tim Thomas
03:07:29
Mike, great talk. When it comes to test slopes, what’s your thoughts on representative slopes while not putting yourself or other in danger?
Eeva Latosuo
03:07:50
Mike - how do you bring up difference in risk tolerances among group members?
Gabriel Wolken
03:11:21
Does Katreen have slides?
Peter Nave
03:14:30
About Mountain Hub app, when it was Avanet, it had a lot more functionality, drawing profiles, route planning, etc. Can that be brought back? I think a lot of folks found it to be better than snowpilot
Melis Coady - AAS
03:15:04
Up next Joe Stock!!! International mountain guide based in Anchorage. “Avoiding Avalanches in remote Alaska”
Gabriel Wolken
03:16:58
CSO - measure snow for us, we’ll model snow for you!
Aleph - CNFAIC
03:17:41
Do you want that to go to attendees as well?
Nick D'Alessio
03:21:34
Hi all, for those who haven’t seen it please sign and share the Turnagain Pass Plowing Initiative: https://forms.gle/yeF6YqwCpMvoZEVX7
Katreen - DGGS
03:22:55
@Peter Nave, yes, those are items that we are discussing to incorporate again. Given the new snow science focus since our acquisition of the app, we want to make it useful for observing various snow parameters and be a handy tool both pre, post and throughout the day.
Melis Coady - AAS
03:25:43
Pika with no people- what a treat!
Mike Janes - AELP
03:26:41
Peter, the original Avanet underlying database had serious issues and was hard for researchers to utilize snow profiles so I think that is probably why that went away. . guessing Katreen and crew will have a science/collaboration approach to that app now. . .
Gabriel Wolken
03:27:06
Do you submit these important observations? If so, where. Would be great to see these in SnowPilot and/or Mountain Hub for other folks to use for decision making.
Eric Roberts
03:29:11
Joe, in your opinion, what is the most significant challenge and/or common mistake amongst Ski/Alpine guides while traveling in remote avalanche terrain?
Eeva Latosuo
03:32:27
Excellent talk, Joe! Liked the clear process cycle! How do you help your clients to understand your framework well and welcome your margins of safety?
Tim Thomas
03:34:33
Very cool talk Joe. Where in the flow would you want to stress control of expectations?
Eric Geisler
03:35:11
i always ask why doesn't it slide.
Eric Roberts
03:35:17
That sounds good, great talk!
Blaine Smith
03:36:22
Nice job Joe. The Pika without crowds! Good on you. Your process mirrors my own. Do you share this with your clients? They're prepped for two days of investigation right off the bat? Super for you.
Mike Janes - AELP
03:38:50
Thanks, Joe! Great discussion and thoughts!
Ralph Baldwin
03:42:13
Thanks to Melissa and Aleph for coordinating SAAW 2020 and to all the presenters and participants. thanks for the sense of community and the educational opportunities at the front end of the season.
Aleph - CNFAIC
03:42:24
Thanks for attending! We will post the recording to share on akavalancheworkshop.org and the links shared today!
Eeva Latosuo
03:43:05
Thank you everyone for keeping the event lively even on the time of Covid!
Peter Wadsworth
03:43:05
well done Aleph and Melis! top notch event.
Gabriel Wolken
03:43:34
Thanks for continuing to host this!
Gabriel Wolken
03:43:41
Community Snow Observations (CSO) - measure snow for us, we’ll model snow for you!
Bill Glude
03:43:43
Thanks all! Appreciate the virtual format so we outside Southcentral can participate!
Ralph Baldwin
03:43:45
Melis, that is…I knew that!
brian thompson
03:44:18
Great presentations! Thank you!
Rick Shandler
03:44:24
Thank you all, this was fantastic
Warren Schaefer
03:44:24
Thank you all so much!
Erik Stevens
03:44:30
Thanks all for the valuable presentatinos, keep up the good work.
Mike Buck - SledEd
03:44:38
Please send me an email with any questions comments of suggestions. Ill get the checklist and trip plan out for you all. Thanks
Michael Riederer
03:44:55
Great meeting, thanks so much everyone and Melis!
Amy Holman
03:45:01
Thanks! have a great season!
Mike Buck - SledEd
03:45:15
Opps Mike Buck email is aksnoguy@gmail.com
Maxwell Bonderoff
03:45:34
Thanks for all of this! Hope to see everyone from a distance in the mountains soon!
Patricia Walker
03:45:41
Thanks everyone!
Lee House
03:45:55
Thanks! From a few folks in Sitka
Aleph - CNFAIC
03:50:02
Hey. Great question. They are all offline.
Mike Buck - SledEd
03:52:10
Would love for you guys to send the questions from the chat by email to me if you can. I think im tecnology challenged with this chat thing. aksnoguy@gmail.com
Bill Glude
03:55:20
Joe, great comments on client types and expectations; that is a real key in guiding, and also for private groups to think of in evaluating travel with each trip’s blend of friends! I’ve heliguided and backcountry ski guided here in Alaska since the ‘70s, and done ski guiding in Japan as well. And have trained a lot of forecasters and guides. There are many cultural differences between people from different parts of the world, and from different workplaces and backgrounds. Expectations, and willingness to be happy with any alternative, are key attributes to seek in partners! As a guide, assessing where people come from and what expectations are reasonable is the tough part, and must be done early. Ultimately too, the guide has to hold the line. The common new guide mistake I see is to be too eager to please the clients by delivering what they think they want, regardless of conditions. The guide’s job is to keep them alive and uninjured; and that often means saying no! You’re obviously comfortable doing that!
Melis Coady - AAS
03:57:56
Thank you all- see you on the slopes!!!